ok, just to check, lucius was the not so bright doctor that daniel showed up in the stargate movie right?

Yes. I have to say...i didn't like this episode, the charactor of Lucius seemed very blah to me. I felt that his reaction to Sheppard being "immune" to his "charms" should have been more explosive...who knows...i might be wrong...till later

yeah, after the ending from sg1, going into that episode... just a major downer

Hi, just joined. Have loved Stargate since the beginning, and decided to give Atlantis a try even after S1. Loved most of the second season but I?ve noticed a growing trend among the episodes. They?ve become ?The John Sheppard Show!? focused totally on Sheppard and his co-called heroics to save the day.

I loved the ensemble of Stargate, and Atlantis promised to be the same. This doesn?t seem to be the case, and I?m frankly tired of Sheppard being the sole focus of every episode. There are so many other great characters on the show (Weir NOT being one of them IMO) but with every episode only Sheppard gets any growth, plot, or airtime.

At first, Sheppard?s sarcasm and pseudo-O?Neill way was fine, but the actor isn?t as laid back as Richard Dean Anderson, and has a hard time pulling off that irreverent wait-a-beat sarcasm O?Neill does to perfection.

?Irresistible?, while amusing and highly entertaining, was the same. Putting aside the fact that it was clear Sheppard wasn?t going to be influenced by whatever drug Lucius had because of the cold, AGAIN he saved the day! It?s repetitive and boring now, and time to move on.

We got to see more of the crew of Atlantis interacting with each other and in more areas of the very large and underutilized city. This provided an excellent format to show the lived-in look, rather than the sterile environment they seem to have even after nearly 3 years on the city.

Ronan laughing was scary, the big bad warrior laughing like that? Funny, but scary. It?d be interesting to see more of this (NOT THE LAUGHING LIKE A LOON) but of his not so tough warrior side, of maybe how he was pre-Runner.

McKay is always a hoot, but in this episode, a slightly pathetic hoot which showed just what type of personality he hides underneath his ego and scorn.

I?d love to comment of Teyla, but it?s hard to say anything about someone with less screen time than a secondary character like Beckett. She?s a warrior in her own right, leader of her people, and yet is reduced to a dismal caricature.

Weir?yes, Weir. I don?t like her, I don?t think she?s the right person to lead this mission (though I did like her when she was on SG-1 and played by a blonde), so I won?t go into just how many ways I?d like to see her gone.

Sigh. This is the first episode of Stargate, Atlantis or SG-1, where the only thing I can say is

Awful, but made even worse in comparison to the godly Pegasus Project . Definitely not Atlantis's best moment. Not by a long shot.

Then again, maybe this is Stargate's "Spock's Brain" or Star Trek V. The complete waste of time that every long running sci-fi show eventually endures.

This post has been edited by Natoma: Jul 28th 2006, 11:21 PM

It was an ok episode, alot was probally taken away from it though because of SG1. Regardless of the SGA episode it would have looked a bit bland compared to SG1 this week. It was a far cry from the best episode but as far as filler episodes that don't really advance the main plot(s) go, it was far from the worst (Suspicion, The Defiant One, and Condemned weren't as good example). That said, this episode really didn't have a good performance from the actors and that took alot away from it - Weir being a giggling idiot, Ronon being... odd, David Hewlitt probally had his worst performance of Mckay ever in this episode, etc...

I know this episode wasn't supposed to be serious but thats not really an excuse for the actors to be completly unbelievable. Point of Origin (probally a bad example since it was such a great episode), Tin Man, and Urgo weren't serious episodes but the actors were believable.

Thoughtout the show, I wondered why shepard didn't just put a gun to that werid dude's head and ask him WTF was going on.

I thought it was great how Rodney took some of the stuff at the end too.

This post has been edited by Romestar: Jul 29th 2006, 12:04 AM

Oh, rewatching it right now. What is Zelenka saying towards the end of the episode (about 3 min from the end I think, about when the jumpers taking off). He briefly says something in what I assume is Czech right before saying "Fly Lucius fly".

I agree with most of your statement. I would not have been as kind as you were. Instead of major downer, my feelings are: one piece of crap, the worst Atlantis ever made.

OMFG this episode sucked BIG TIME! I can't believe how lame it was.

I hated that guy when he came out in Spin City and now I hate him more for making my beloved show reek. What the hell were they thinking of when they penned this episode. Oh wait....THEY WEREN'T THINKING AT ALL. Thats why it SUCKED!

BTW toolazy...yes, he's the idiot in the film who couldn't translate worth crap. Thank God he did not appear in the rest of the movie or I'll bet it would have ended up sucking too.

OK I know I know it's the writing that sucked, but I just don't like him.

Irresistible....I THINK NOT!!!!

This post has been edited by J&S4Ever: Jul 29th 2006, 12:31 AM

I have to agree with you. There was no action at all, and no serious threat. Usually the stargate thing is that if the problem isn't fixed the universe blows up er something.

Wow. Have you been reading my mind?
I'm pretty sure this is my first time commenting on an Atlantis episode, I tend to stay in the SG-1 forums, basically because they usually aren't anything to talk about on Atlantis. But when I read your comment, I was like "Oh my goodness this person is in my head!" lol

I've always thought Atlantis was too "Sheppard-centric", and that it should broden its horizons character wise, I've just thought I was the only one until now. Don't get me wrong, I love Joe Flanigan and feel that John Sheppard is a likable guy, (despite the fact that he seems to be an intergalactic man-whore) but , can't someone else save the day besides Sheppard, and sometimes McKay?

And I totally agree that Teyla should have more screen time. And your thoughts on Weir are right on the money. She just doesn't show any good leadership qualities to me, she depends too much on Sheppard IMO, and just isn't a likeable character. Although, I did also enjoy the blonde Weir in The Lost City, maybe if she was still playing Weir I could actually enjoy this whole "Sheppard/Weir thing" that the writers are pulling for.

Thank you for finally voicing my thoughts!

Yes, this episode was rather weak. I don't have much to add about the suck-factor here.

There was one thing that kept bugging me (and this probably belongs in nitpicks but I'll put it here anyway.) Weir has the same desk lamp as me. I want to know where the hell she plugs that in. Do they have AC outlets in Atlantis?

Here's a pic:


The funny thing is, when I was on the set I noticed the lamp sitting on her desk, but I never gave it a second thought until now.

He speaks....

Indeed, they have many appliances in their rooms, etc... but how do they power them? It seems peculiar at best. That Atlanteans would certainly not have used the same type of power supply as us anyways...



I did not hate this episode. It was fine, just a filler. Some parts were fairly predictable, which I didn't like. Overall, it was 'whatever'.... no real opinion here. Though it is interesting that they are building a gate bridge.

If we're going to nitpick this episode, let me start with the gatebridge.... how exactly do you dial a gate that's, say, 1.8 million lightyears from the nearest galaxy? What exactly would you use for the coordinate scheme? Unless we're assuming that Pegasan stargates each have their own unique address that will dial that gate no matter where it is, but in previous SG1s it seemed to imply that the address mapped for a certain point in space, and the network dialed whatever gate was the "control" gate at that location.

How do they intend on defending the gatebridge from Ori or Wraith interference? If either of them, especially the Wraith, finds out there are 60-odd gates strung between the galaxies comprising a supply line for the SGC, you know they'd swoop in and pull a couple links from the chain.

You know there's going to be some episode too where a team gets stuck in a jumper halfway to the MW when the "bridge" goes "out", too...

As for the episode itself, I thought it was OK. Not the greatest, but not as bad as everyone makes it sound, which is probably just because it was following Pegasus Project and was shamed by its awesome mightiness. I liked Richard Kind, I thought he played a very good Dark Urgo kinda character. I thought the writers missed out on a chance to do some good "out of character" writing for the team, though, especially with Ronan...many missed jokes there.

And dont miss out on the nuance that this episode marks the closest Atlantis has ever come to total defeat...if it wasnt for Sheppard's deus ex machina head cold, the whole expedition would have drunk his koolaid and start running botanical gardens till the Wraith came to suck them up. Inevitably they would have brought Lucius back to Earth and let him set up a barony in Cheyenne Mountain. That'd probably draw a foothold response from the Pentagon, though, so maybe there was never that much danger after all...

I just hope they dont start reusing any other actors. Recycling extras or prostheticized actors is one thing, but when Kurt Russell lands a role as the Ori Incarnated or anything I'm selling my shares....

I didn't think the episode was to bad.... and what is with all the anti-shep stuff going round? I dare say there have been more mcay centered eps then shep ones, and i think the writers have been building up the mystery surrounding ronans past for the next episode (centered around him). Tayla isn't a very good char IMO

Well, considering the Atlantis team was supposed to be Earth's brightest people, I'm sure finding a way to convert the power for our desklamps and appliances shouldn't be that difficult for them. Of course they may lack common sense from time to time... but surely they must be able to find a way to plug in a desklamp in another galaxy.




I mentioned this in the thread about Dean Devlin wanting to finish his original Stargate trilogy idea...

That they should bring in Kurt Russell and James Spader as the alternate Jack and Daniel who left off from the movie.. as in never joining SG-1 and Daniel still on Abydos.. just 12 years later.

Now THAT would be an awesome way to reuse/recycle an actor, especially ones from the original film!
One can only wish though...

This post has been edited by youngjediboy: Jul 29th 2006, 4:41 AM

Yeah, i don't think they would have too much trouble with that.

This episode was missing one main thing..

Lucious's Atlantis harem serving his every need.. And I don't mean showing him around the city

i didnt think this was too bad of an ep. my favorite lines were when Lucius asked sheppherd and then ronon how they made their hair look like that. lol

I pretty much enjoyed this episode. It wasn't very good, but it wasn't very bad either. Lucius did seem like a good actor to me... Maybe seeing him in other roles influenced everybody's decisions. I have never seen him playing someone else in other movies or series, so I can start with over average qualities.

I just loved the part when Beckett started crying at the thought that Lucius was going to "need" him...

Also, it seemed to me pretty much that the action of the episode occurs some time after The Pegasus Project... The inter-galactic bridge was Carter's idea.

I?m not anti-Sheppard, in fact, I do enjoy him most times, and much of his one-liners are great. (Though someone else mentioned the intergalactic man-whore and I can?t necessarily disagree there.) I just think that him always saving the day, especially when it comes to things far outside his prevue, is old. McKay, yes, there are a lot of McKay-centered episodes as well, and he does often rub the wrong way, though mostly I find him incredibly funny.

The only comparison I have to make at the moment is the show JAG. It went from a good ensemble-centered show to all about Harm Rabb. He never lost, even if he lied or cheated his way through a case. He was always right, even when it was clear he was wrong.

That seems to be the direction Atlantis is heading: Sheppard is right. Sheppard is our hero. Sheppard saves the day. Again.

My point is that I?d like to see more of the other characters, not even in their own episode, though I?m REALLY looking forward to next week?s with Ronon. I?m talking the formula Stargate perfected. Each person did their part, the scientist, the archeologist, the warrior, and the leader. They each did their part and no one ?knew? everything to solely save the day.

You have a point, they never really work together all that much, it's always EITHER shep or mckay. Ronan hasn't been around for all that long, and tayla does next to nothing, exept introduce the team to different peoples (never 'saving the day') Can't wait till ronans ep either.