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| Anubis94 |
 Jan 28th 2004, 9:57 PM
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Airman First Class  Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: October 29th 2003 From: Men-nef-er Member No.: 2,646 Gender: Male  |
On the episode where the Bedrosian, Nayan said that they were brought there by Nefertum through the gateway. Well Teal'c said that he was an under System Lord to Ra the Supreme System Lord. What exactly is an Under System Lord and will we get to see him on SG-1?
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| Annunaki |
Jan 28th 2004, 10:09 PM
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Colonel  Group: Members Posts: 1,617 Joined: October 10th 2003 Member No.: 2,478 Gender: Not Telling |
Since we haven't seen how the goa'uld structure is like when there is a Supreme System lord I don't think we ever will see an Under system lord.
I don't know but it is probably the rank given to goa'uld who serve the supreme system lord. |
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| Apis |
Jan 28th 2004, 10:30 PM
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Major General  Group: Members Posts: 2,474 Joined: March 15th 2003 From: Canada Member No.: 1,116 Gender: Male |
Well we do know that the Goa'uld seem to have a heirarchial structure. I mean, in "Last Stand" Baal's Lo'tar said that he wished to "One day ascend to the rank of system lord".
Don't get me wrong, however, I do not believe that the Goa'uld hand out promotions to other Goa'uld's to help them raise in rank. I say this because the Goa'uld's social order is based upon feudalism; and in feudalism nothing is written in stone. Rank probably directly proportional to military strength (for example, if Goa'uld "A" beats Goa'uld "B" in a fight than in later confrontations Goa'uld "A" will automatically be treated as "Alpa"). So I would assume that by calling Nefertum an "Under System Lord"; Teal'c probably was saying that while this Goa'uld is strong enough to weild considerable power; his armies are not strong enough to make any of the more powerful Goa'uld yeild to him. |
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| Raz |
Jan 29th 2004, 4:16 AM
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Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,817 Joined: February 18th 2003 From: North-East England, UK Member No.: 726 Gender: Male |
I doubt we will get to see Nefertum however an under system lord could be like a slave to the System Lord. For example Bynar was servant to Sokar. Now that Ra is dead though and there is a major doubt any other Goa'uld will rise to supreme power, I doubt there will be any minor system lords or under system lords to see.
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| Baal |
Jan 29th 2004, 2:20 PM
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Captain  Group: Members Posts: 917 Joined: January 4th 2004 From: Where the action is Member No.: 3,136 Gender: Male |
Maybe Ra conquered him.
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| Annunaki |
Jan 29th 2004, 3:50 PM
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Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,617 Joined: October 10th 2003 Member No.: 2,478 Gender: Not Telling |
Since Teal'c was referring to an under system lord to Ra the under system lord might be the rank given to another goa'uld by a supreme system lord and not by a regular system lord. Since the supreme system lord Ra must have been very busy Nefertum could have controled some of his forces. Nefertum would have been fine with following Ra's orders since no other system lord could challenge Ra's forces.
Anubis was trying to take over every other system lord with the help of Osiris. If he would have succeeded and became the supreme system lord then Osiris most likely would have became an under system lord to Anubis. |
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| dorien |
Jan 29th 2004, 8:03 PM
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Major  Group: Members Posts: 1,070 Joined: June 10th 2003 From: yooperland Member No.: 1,776 Gender: Female |
I take the title to mean a goa'uld who serves Under the command of a System Lord. For example: Tanith served Apophis and then Anubis. Zipacna also serves Anubis as does Osiris. Jacob/Selmak "served" Lord Yu. Kianna served Ba'al. Etc.
But as every goa'uld seeks power, I'm sure there is no trust in the relationship/service and there are always intrigues and schemes to seize power for oneself. I wouldn't get too hung up on the adjectives used in the titles. The goa'uld have huge egos. If one is a System Lord of course another will go for one-up-manship and add Supreme. And then put down others by adding Under or Minor to the title. Head games.  |
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| Aesir |
Jan 29th 2004, 8:09 PM
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Major General Group: Members Posts: 4,404 Joined: June 14th 2003 From: United Kingdom Member No.: 1,811 Gender: Male |
Although (as people have already said), the hierarchy of Goa'uld is probably significantly different now from when Ra was alive, I'm guess it means that Nefertum was a System Lord who served Ra (presumably most or all of them did in some way or another), or simply a minor Goa'uld in Ra's service. Anyway, we do know that Nefertum is not currently a System Lord and so unless he fell from power and was defeated, he may well be a minor Goa'uld. Basically we don't know, but I seriously doubt we will see Nefertum of hear another mention of him. |
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| Heru'ur |
Jan 29th 2004, 9:50 PM
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Major Group: Members Posts: 1,221 Joined: May 27th 2003 From: Abydos Member No.: 1,671 Gender: Male |
Nefertum is most liklely an isignificant goa'uld. Or he died a long time ago. No recent evidence has suggested that he is still alive or has any power. If he did, we would have seen it. He was most likely defeated or conquered a thousand years ago.
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| S.G.C |
Jan 29th 2004, 10:49 PM
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Major General Group: Members Posts: 2,675 Joined: November 10th 2003 From: Australia Member No.: 2,714 Gender: Male |
Ra was pritty much the king of the system lords. Seeing that the abidos (spelling) mission killed him i dont think that we will be seeing another king goa'uld. Though anubis died. So who knows.
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| Lit Gal |
Jan 30th 2004, 10:54 PM
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Second Lieutenant  Group: Members Posts: 616 Joined: December 19th 2003 From: Arizona Member No.: 3,031 Gender: Female |
Nefertum obviously appeared on Earth, but he couldn't have been a slave to Ra the way that we see Zippy serving more powerful goa'uld because he had told the people of the planet that he was the one and only god (which I don't think Zippy or Thoth could get away with doing without having their "masters" castrate them). So, maybe an Under System Lord is an up and coming goa'uld or a goa'uld who only controls a couple of planets and so aligns with a larger System Lord for protection. Maybe there's a genetic relationship like with Apophis and Klor'el (sp). Maybe we'll never know because the writers have dropped this idea totally.
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| necrosis |
Jan 31st 2004, 6:38 AM
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Technical Sergeant  Group: Members Posts: 275 Joined: July 15th 2003 From: dublin,ireland Member No.: 2,033 Gender: Male |
well to anwser your last question,no we will probably not being seeing nefertum ever,as the humans on bedrosia were advanced enough,i'd say they got rid of nefertum thousands of years ago.
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| Lit Gal |
Jan 31st 2004, 12:22 PM
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Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 616 Joined: December 19th 2003 From: Arizona Member No.: 3,031 Gender: Female |
My complaint about the writers dropping the issue is not in reference to Nefertum per se. I wish we would see more of the goa'uld power structure. In Summit we got to see a bit of how the System Lords interact, but I would like to know how the little goa'uld interact with the lords. When Selmac goes under cover in Lord Yu's service, what exactly is his role? I want to see under system lords in general -- not necessarily Nefertum.
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| Apis |
Jan 31st 2004, 3:23 PM
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Major General Group: Members Posts: 2,474 Joined: March 15th 2003 From: Canada Member No.: 1,116 Gender: Male |
I always thought that the Goa'uld power structure was oriented around specializations. For example, in the episode "Double Jeopardy" that woman (Goa'uld) who was in service of Cronus seemed to be specializing in technology. Other Goa'uld such as the one who was torturing Teal'c in "The Serpeant's Venom"; seemed to specialize in Goa'uld interrogation. So I would suspect that an Under Goa'uld's relation to the "head" System Lord would be heavily based on the current demand for what they specialize in; and these "under Goa'uld" would be able to rise to power under basis of how useful their speciality is (for example, in a time of extreme technological advancement; a Goa'uld who specializes in technology would be more important and thus, would have less difficulty raising an army to overthrow their master and become a full-fledged system lord). |
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