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post Mar 21st 2004, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE (Apis @ Mar 19 2004, 06:53 PM)
You're assuming that the climate control device doesn't incorporate winter into part of the planet's normal functions.? I mean, the device would likely try to make the planet's weather patterns as balanced as possible and without a winter, in one form or another, it could be unhealthy for both the Madronan's and the natural life on the planet.? One of the main advantages of having winter is that many diseases, particularly ones carried by animals, are killed off during this season (this effectively helps cleanse the world).? Furthermore, weak animals who are a drain on the ecosystem are killed off during this season (allowing the strong to thrive).

Therefore I would suspect that the Madronan's should be at least familiar with the concept of winter and would have clothing that is suited for it.


QUOTE (AOT @ Feb 16 2003, 02:50 AM)
It wasn't the device that was controlling the weather - the device was controlling the moon/planetary alignment.


Good points, Apis and AOT. smile.gif Like AOT, I was presuming that the Touchstone had the gravitational capability of altering the planet's tilt toward the closest star. Were the Madronan people we saw living permanently in the spring and summer cycles since the Touchstone was under their control (like a tropical environment)? Like Apis, I believe in cold weather's positive effects. When I watched this episode, I also wondered what weather conditions were like on the opposite Madronan hemisphere? Perma-winter perhaps?

What a great thing science fiction theory can be, eh?

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post Mar 21st 2004, 11:55 PM
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There's nothing better than a good dry cold winter and have a brand new start to spring.
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post Apr 16th 2004, 3:24 PM
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QUOTE (sgcl librarian @ Mar 19 2004, 05:49 PM)


Teal'c established his antipathy and death wish for the unscrupulous Colonel Harry Maybourne.  By the way, does Maybourne remind anyone else of Oliver North?


This episode, although not really that bad, is probably one of the weaker episodes of season two. What did make it palatible (for me) was watching Gen. Hammond and SG-1 trying to find out who was responsible for the theft of the weather orb and ultimately finding out about the "second" gate. I liked seeing Hammond calling in old favors to get around the stonewalling he had been encountering. Of course, given their track record with Colonel Maybourne and the NID, you'd have thought they would have suspected him of the theft from the start.

The best scene is still the one in Area 51. I love it when Jack, Daniel, Carter and Teal'c are greeted/confronted by Colonel Maybourne. It was awesome when Teal'c walks up to Maybourne and with the most deadpan expression on his face and no anger in his voice says,"In my culture, it would be within my rights to dismember you." The dismay and shock on Maybourne's face is priceless. But, even better, the looks that Jack and Teal'c give to each other knowing they've made him miserable. lots of fun.

Now, regarding the comment about Maybourne acting like Oliver North. Yes, I think I'll have to agree with that. In his early episodes, he was portrayed as a sort of "behind the scenes" manipulator. He was definitely a gung-ho type of character. What I found really interesting is that if you watch the DVD, go to the select a scene option. Under the scene for Area 51 is his picture and the title "corrupt colonel". Okay, I'm pretty sure it's this episode. If, it isn't, then it's BANE.

Would you say that Maybourne was corrupt ? I'd say he was more of a type that would do what ever was necessary (from stealing technology and alienating allies) to
protect the earth from the Gou'ald. This issue came up again in Shades of Grey. Maybourne and the NID thought that the SGC wasn't aggressive enough in trying to get technology that would save earth. Thus, the need of the second gate. They would do what the SGC wouldn't. Whereas the SGC felt that having good relations with strong allies (Tollan, Nox and Asgard) was the better course of action. Two different solutions to the same problem; one right, one wrong. depending on your perspective.
I would say that Maybourne is most definitely unscrupulous. He's perfect for the NID.

I like the moral ambiguities that have turned up into the Stargate scripts. It does make a person think.

oh, one thing I'm curious about... does anyone happen to know how tall RDA is ? I was thinking that he really towered over Tom McBeath, unless TM happens to be on the shortish side.

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post Apr 16th 2004, 9:16 PM
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They find out that the NID took the second stargate and use it to take alein teacnorlgy for earth. Lucky the gate they find is made of plastic, a copy of the real one and being left at area 51. They where able to find the real stargate and able to return the weather thing back to it's people.
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post May 4th 2004, 11:56 PM
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This episode rocks! They go 2 UTAH! My home state, and the funny thing is, they go to Hill Air Force Base for a ride. My Dad works there! Oh, and Teal'c is pretty funny when he threatens Maybourne!
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post Jun 3rd 2004, 4:55 PM
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I don't like the idea of having a bunch of unknown people running around in the galaxy. Just think of what they could screw up, all in Earth's name...
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post Jun 21st 2004, 10:16 AM
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This is a good investigating episode. It is so obvious that Maybourne is behind the rouge NID organisation.

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post Jul 27th 2004, 2:12 PM
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I really liked this ep - not exactly sure what it was about it but it was just good! It certainly sets up for a lot of future episodes to do with the 2nd gate and the NID, which is a good plot line. And I tend to like episodes that are set mainly on Earth just because they are different to the rest - a nice change from hoofing it all over the galaxy! smile.gif
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post Sep 3rd 2004, 7:19 AM
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Does any one know who those guys where that stole the touchstone?

or do they come up in some other ep wink.gif
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post Sep 3rd 2004, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE (Dial Home Device @ Sep 3rd 2004, 7:19 AM)
Does any one know who those guys where that stole the touchstone?

or do they come up in some other ep wink.gif

The people who stole the touchstone were a rogue faction of the NID lead by Colonel Maybourne. Watch "Shades of Grey", that episode will explain everything.
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post Sep 29th 2004, 6:48 AM
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I didn't think this ep. was weak at all. I have to say seeing it now, the bit where they pull up outside area 51 and get out of the Civic reminds me of the startings of Queer eye for the straight guy, they do the same thing, shot the same way...
Isn't Maybourne delightfully evil! And the bit where they were getting 'the tour' and the guy says they're working on the gliders SG1 procured when they did their 'hero thing' LoL! laugh.gif I loved the statue the touchstone was sitting in and the lay out of Madrona, very beautiful. Just a quick question, near the end of the ep. Daniel gets in that truck and misses the symbols on the DHD, in 48 hours they need to borrow a DHD from the Russians...why didn't they just use the one they had? It was under Hammonds command at the time even if they didn't have the gate it came with. whistling.gif

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post Nov 6th 2004, 12:35 PM
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Who knows why they didn't use that DHD? Although, didn't they bust up the russian one when they used it to get Teal'c out? Maybe the producers just forgot about that one, and they wanted to use involve the Russians. Anyway, I don't really know.
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post Dec 20th 2004, 4:59 PM
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6 because the only interesting part was the NID... period. Madrona, Roham and La-Moor were weak characters... so totally incredible...
No, dont have much good about them to say sleep.gif
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post Jan 13th 2005, 5:19 PM
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QUOTE(Kaileron @ Dec 20th 2004, 4:59 PM)
6 because the only interesting part was the NID... period. Madrona, Roham and La-Moor were weak characters... so totally incredible...
No, dont have much good about them to say sleep.gif
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Agree with you all the way there. Though seeing the NID was the best part.
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post Feb 9th 2005, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(Jack+Sam4eva @ May 30th 2003, 8:00 PM)
Jack- "Carter wants to take a look at it with some of her speacialised doo-hickeys"
GH: "Doo-hickeys?"
Jack: (thinking) "I believe thats the technical term, sir"
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Yeah I liked that one too. Thera were some fun quotes on this episode, But I didn't like the plot very much. I did like that it was an earth-bound episode. I ussually like them very much, because it's more humans, less bad guys. This one howerver wasn't one of the fun ones.
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post Feb 9th 2005, 1:13 PM
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QUOTE(magnavox @ Sep 29th 2004, 11:48 AM)
Daniel gets in that truck and misses the symbols on the DHD, in 48 hours they need to borrow a DHD from the Russians...why didn't they just use the one they had? It was under Hammonds command at the time even if they didn't have the gate it came with. whistling.gif
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Isn't it mentioned in a later episode that that DHD stopped working about a year after it was found in Antarctica? Something about it being one of the oldest gates (hence DHDs) in the network, and running out of power?

At first I too thought that the Touchstone would have been created by the Ancients...but it was said that the planet was terraformed just 900 years ago - hadn't the Ancients moved on by that point?

(If anyone says it was the Furlings, I'll kill 'em! dry.gif)

[Edit] The episode wasn't bad either! [/Edit]

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post Feb 9th 2005, 8:17 PM
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QUOTE(Parmenides @ Feb 9th 2005, 1:13 PM)
Isn't it mentioned in a later episode that that DHD stopped working about a year after it was found in Antarctica? Something about it being one of the oldest gates (hence DHDs) in the network, and running out of power?
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Yes you are correct however I found that out after I made that post.

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At first I too thought that the Touchstone would have been created by the Ancients...but it was said that the planet was terraformed just 900 years ago - hadn't the Ancients moved on by that point?

(If anyone says it was the Furlings, I'll kill 'em! )


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post Feb 10th 2005, 9:31 AM
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QUOTE(magnavox @ Feb 10th 2005, 2:17 AM)
At first I too thought that the Touchstone would have been created by the Ancients...but it was said that the planet was terraformed just 900 years ago - hadn't the Ancients moved on by that point?

(If anyone says it was the Furlings, I'll kill 'em! )
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I'm not going to say it was the Furlings, I think it might just have been the Ancients. Because teraforming means they "re-build" the planet, right. Maybe the Ancients lived there, moved away and left som doohickeys behind, the planet was terraformed and a doohickey was found (don't ask me how they learned to control it).
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post Feb 21st 2005, 4:29 PM
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hi just wanted 2 say this episode was alright not there best but i suppose all there episodes cant rock bow.gif
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post Feb 26th 2005, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(cvvrede @ Feb 10th 2005, 2:31 PM)
I'm not going to say it was the Furlings, I think it might just have been the Ancients. Because teraforming means they "re-build" the planet, right. Maybe the Ancients lived there, moved away and left som doohickeys behind, the planet was terraformed and a doohickey was found (don't ask me how they learned to control it).
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they probably dont know ow it control, it could be automated. it needs to be in range of the planet to keep the climate. the people just worship it. a
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post Mar 2nd 2006, 3:47 AM
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this is one of my top ten favorite episodes....this im sure has already been said, but when they drove up to area 51 i saw trees in the background, i mean hello? maybe they are alien trees....why was there such dark music when the SG-1 team saw the death gliders there and they had a grim look on thier faces...my guess is they were probably worried about mayborne mis-using it but i mean they should be happy we were studying it...oh and we saw Reynolds in this episode...i had totally forgotten he was in it....i liked the secret agent guy hammond was talking too...i wish could have more of that in this series w/ hammond talking w/ that guy and so on
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post Feb 13th 2007, 8:06 AM
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The thing i dont understand is on episode Hundred Days (Season 3, i think). After they fried the particle beam generator thing at the gate, they sent a M.A.L.P. through and since the gate was flat, the M.A.L.P. slipped back through the event horizon.. Well wouldn't it do the same on this episode when they sent the M.A.L.P. through the offworld gate to the 2nd gate on earth? Because that was flat.
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post Feb 13th 2007, 8:09 AM
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QUOTE(GhozT @ Feb 13th 2007, 3:06 PM) *

The thing i dont understand is on episode Hundred Days (Season 3, i think). After they fried the particle beam generator thing at the gate, they sent a M.A.L.P. through and since the gate was flat, the M.A.L.P. slipped back through the event horizon.. Well wouldn't it do the same on this episode when they sent the M.A.L.P. through the offworld gate to the 2nd gate on earth? Because that was flat.


The gate wasn't inside that box when they sent the M.A.L.P. It was probably packaged inside that box between missions, so that nobody notices it. Or, they packaged the gate right after they noticed they have been discovered when seeing the MALP come through, so they decided to keep the gate like that, so that anyone exiting the gate would fall back through it as a measure of defense.
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post Feb 13th 2007, 8:16 AM
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Oh i see, well that must be what it is then because i remember teal'c getting through the gate on the other mission and he had to secure him self up there quickly so he doesnt fall back through, but in this mission there was nothing to secure them selfs on. I never thought about what you said lol. I thought it jumped over the side of the stargate so it wouldn't fall back in or something lol
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