"Seth", Not really a mistake, just odd... Options

[Someone_please_kill_Kinsey]

Ok, in 3-02, 'Seth,' an all-encompassing mind-control "Smart virus" is used to make Seth's Cultists completely loyal. So why would his closets in the Armory have locks on them? If only Seth and his mindless followers are there, who would steal them?

I can only think of 2 scenarios where people get anywhere near the compound:

(1) Stealthy incursion (like SG1, which resusts in brain-washing)

(2) Full assault, in which case al the Zats etc. would be in the hands of the cultists.



So why the locks? It's like putting a password on a Borg computer in Star Trek...makes no sense...

[Dafmeister]

Or, just like what happened to SG1, if those who were brainwashed found someway to combat it they wouldnt be able to have any guns.

Plus, in general doors, have locks - my wardrobe (closet) does.

[Major Gmed]

The locks are to do with him being a paranoid snakehead. He is worried that someone is going to infiltrate and get control of the weapons. Also he probably knew that a zat blast would neutralise the mind control drug that he used, so it was probably to save for accidental shootings. It could also have been a control thing with him, it showed he was in control, only letting them have weapons that he deemed necessary, after all he had an ego the size of the great pyramid, or the size of that tacky looking throne.

[DI Falken]

QUOTE (Major Gmed @ Jun 10 2003, 04:23 PM)

It could also have been a control thing with him, it showed he was in control, only letting them have weapons that he deemed necessary, after all he had an ego the size of the great pyramid, or the size of that tacky looking throne.

I would agree. Maybe a prestiege thing, only his chosen decipels may have access to weapons of such great power.

[craftyc]

I saw the episode today on Sky One and I found a few nitpicks.

1) During the first stealthy incursion Teal'c has a zat gun in his hand. The civilian (Jason Levinson) that was with them did not notice this. Or he noticed it and didn't say anything.

2) When they are planning the second stealthy incursion, Sam says that Jacob and Teal'c can't go because Seth would detect their symbiotes. Did she not stop to consider herself who had been previously blended with a Tok'Ra and had the marker in her blood?

Hopefully somebody can clear this up.

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

craftyc,

1) if he noticed, he probably thought it was some new military tech

2) while she did remember that she had a protein marker, maybe she didn't know that there was naquadah in her blood, too. after all, that's what the goa'uld sense. that doesn't explain why jacob didn't say anything, but sam might have just not known. when did she find out about that, or make the first recognition of its presence?

[craftyc]

QUOTE (Drizzt Do'Urden @ Jun 12 2003, 10:23 AM)

craftyc, 1) if he noticed, he probably thought it was some new military tech 2) while she did remember that she had a protein marker, maybe she didn't know that there was naquadah in her blood, too. after all, that's what the goa'uld sense. that doesn't explain why jacob didn't say anything, but sam might have just not known. when did she find out about that, or make the first recognition of its presence?

1) If I saw something like a zat, I'd be pretty amazed and would question somebody about it.

2) In the episode "Into the Fire", Hathor senses that Carter had once been blended. This was the episode just before "Seth". Also in the episode "Serpents Song", Apophis senses the presence of a symbiote in Carter. So I don't think Sam could have just not known.

[jimmyk421]

seth is also the episode where carter first finds out she can use hand devices

[weasel]

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seth is also the episode where carter first finds out she can use hand devices

As far as I know Seth has only been in one episode and that is the same one as where she learns to use the ribbon device/ hand device. You may of course have seth mixed up with Cronos, or I could be mixed up, but I would put money on it being you.

If an electrical shock is enough to rid a person of the drug (eg zat shot) then maybe Seth was worried that someone would electrocute themsleves boiling a kettle and get very pissed for being made a snipety-do-dah eunuch and go on a rampage.

[craftyc]

QUOTE (jimmyk421 @ Jun 13 2003, 10:30 AM)

seth is also the episode where carter first finds out she can use hand devices

Rubbish. She used one in Thors Chariot.

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

QUOTE (craftyc @ Jun 12 2003, 05:25 PM)

1) If I saw something like a zat, I'd be pretty amazed and would question somebody about it. 2) In the episode "Into the Fire", Hathor senses that Carter had once been blended. This was the episode just before "Seth". Also in the episode "Serpents Song", Apophis senses the presence of a symbiote in Carter. So I don't think Sam could have just not known.

1) & 2) so nobody was thinking clearly in this ep(civies, SG-1, or Tok'ra).

[jimmyk421]

ok i stand corrected she did use that healing device i just remember her dad saying somethin about her having the will or something to use the ribbon device

[Someone_please_kill_Kinsey]

Accually, in "Thor's Chariot" she used the Ribbon Device, but she couldn't manage to use the Healing Pad.

Her dad said that because she couldn't use them at will.

This post has been edited by Someone_please_kill_Kinsey: Jun 17th 2003, 7:48 AM

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

but she did use the Healing Device in 'Meridian'.

[Aesir]

... and in "Fair Game" when she healed Cronus.

[DI Falken]

But she did say that she didn't really know what she was doing. With the healing device it may be more of a finesse thing, and with the ribbon device, you can just blow them out of the water. Sam hasn't manage the glowing burning into head thing yet, so there may be more to it than just 'will.'

[Aesir]

Just from the logic of it, I'd imagine that it needs more control to heal, whereas using the ribbon device as a weapon is more destructive and doesn't require control (in fact it just needs you to lose control, which is usually easier).

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

but you have to control "losing control" to actually fire it once then not ifre for the rest of the time, which would indicate that more control than no control is involved, if that made any sense whatsoever.

[SSG Ret]

QUOTE (craftyc @ Jun 12 2003, 06:39 AM)

During the first stealthy incursion Teal'c has a zat gun in his hand. The civilian (Jason Levinson) that was with them did not notice this. Or he noticed it and didn't say anything.

Don't know about the rest but the ATF does not have a reputation for being the brightest stars in the sky over here. I have heard the phrase...on second thought, never mind. Let us just say that they have a rep for thinking with something else than their brains.

[SSG Ret]

QUOTE (craftyc @ Jun 13 2003, 11:55 AM)

QUOTE (jimmyk421 @ Jun 13 2003, 10:30 AM) seth is also the episode where carter first finds out she can use hand devices Rubbish. She used one in Thors Chariot.

Yes, she did. However, this is the first time she could control it.

[stevenhp1987]

Remember in the nox episode where Teal'c said he had never seen the shield used by apopthis before meaning it must be a new technology. If it is then how did Seth have one?

And didn't Carter say the naqadria was needed for shields as well as hyperspace(05-22). Meaning that for the shield he would need naqadria, but theres none on Earth, so how on earth did seth have a shield?

[Aesir]

QUOTE (stevenhp1987 @ Jul 2 2003, 04:26 PM)

Remember in the nox episode where Teal'c said he had never seen the shield used by apopthis before meaning it must be a new technology. If it is then how did Seth have one? And didn't Carter say the naqadria was needed for shields as well as hyperspace(05-22). Meaning that for the shield he would need naqadria, but theres none on Earth, so how on earth did seth have a shield?

These are both good, points but I guess you could argue that Teal'c just wasn't aware of the technology, but then that seems a bit far fetched.

As for it needed Naquadah however... well we don't know how long a shield would last with its original power source and maybe he just didn't use it much.

[SSG Ret]

Apophis might not have been aware of it before. They aren't exactly the most team-spirited of critters. Given that Aris Boch was aware of it, I would assume it had come into general knowledge fairly recently.

Seth had once been powerful enough to challange Ra; he lost, but still.

[Heru'ur]

In order for Seht to maintain his ribbon device,he must have had an extra supply of naquada in order to use it.Or maybe ribbon devices are able to work for long periods of time without more naquada.Or perhaps the Naquada serves as a regenerating power cell,so it would go on idefinetly.

Then,the fact that teal'c was unaware of the shield option on a ribbon device is just ridiculous.A first prime would have first hand knowledge of such things.