 If Earth Had "Federation" Technology, Star Trek Goodies In A Stargate Universe |
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| Mike |
 May 14th 2003, 2:11 PM
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I Piss Excellence  Group: Moderators Posts: 3,015 Joined: March 4th 2003 From: New York, NY / Houston, TX Member No.: 957 Gender: Male  |
This was something that kinda dawned on me while I was eating my chips and queso with SportsCenter in the background (like you really wanted to know that).
 Let put together a situation in which the SGC have technology much like the Federation of Planets in the Star Trek Universe. I'm talking ships like Enterprise, quantom photon torpedos, transporter technology, advanced medicine, personal force shield for the troops, all the bells and whistles. Do you think such technology would make a difference in the fight against the Gou'ald? If we think about it, Earth can be wiped out in one fatal blow if the Gou'ald got their act together and focused their resources towards the SGC and Earth. The saving grace that has kept the Earth in tact has been the constant bickering among the system lords for power and their arrogance and underestimation towards the Tau'ri. Yet there was the protective planets treaty that seem to protect Earth for a short time but it is all but usless now and less face it, treaties are created to be broken at some point. The SGC has proven time and time again that a battle is won by smarts rather than relying on superior firepower and manpower. Yes SG-1 is good but they are also lucky. My viewpoint in all this is that Federation type weapons who be a nice boost, but it takes more than technology to win a war. |
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| stargatesweetie |
May 14th 2003, 2:45 PM
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Lieutenant Colonel  Group: Members Posts: 1,518 Joined: February 24th 2003 From: Birmingham UK Member No.: 846 Gender: Female |
Agreed, a concerted effort on behalf of the Goa'uld would have taken us out years ago. However we would definitely have an advantage with Federation technology, "simple" things like transporters would be of great use and Doc Frasiers job would be easier!
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| MacGyver2 |
May 14th 2003, 2:48 PM
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Colonel  Group: Members Posts: 1,724 Joined: February 12th 2003 From: Romania (Europe) Member No.: 634 |
I don't think so.
It's the people that use the technology, not the technology, that makes the difference. I for one would stick to the old Tauri ingenuity. It never failed us before. Besides, the StarTrek stuff would look "out of place" in the world of Stargate. Everything in neat and tidy in StarTrek. Phasers would look silly in Stargate. |
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| FatJoe |
May 14th 2003, 3:16 PM
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Airman First Class  Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: May 1st 2003 Member No.: 1,492 |
What's the difference between Zats and Phasers anyway, both weapons I'd say are "neat and tidy"...
Actually as of the end of season 6, the tech available to the SGC is near the same level as that of Star Trek in many ways...the prometheus w/asgard weapons and shields is a good example....Zats and Staff Weapons are equal to if not better than phasers...and those naquada enriched nukes pack a hell of a punch... |
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| lordyu |
May 14th 2003, 7:14 PM
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Staff Sergeant  Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: February 13th 2003 Member No.: 652 |
the power difference of the ship are to great. a ship like the enterprize from star trak are not that powerfull. if you goto the star trek site and convert there shield power to megatons, it only come out to 18 megatons.
we know that in one episode sam said that the canons on the mothership were putting out up to 200 megatons pershot. so as you can see it would only take one shot from a gao'uld mothership. to bring down the shield and completey distroy a ship like the enterprize. the weapons on star trek ship only have a power range of 100 to 800 kilotons. with that amount of fire power it would take all day to bring the shield of a gao'uld mothership. we also know that the gao'uld shield can take hits of 500 megatons and up. it would be like a fly hitting the windsheild of a car. |
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| Behenna |
May 14th 2003, 7:43 PM
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Major  Group: Members Posts: 1,084 Joined: March 18th 2003 From: Near Oxford in a little village Member No.: 1,143 Gender: Male |
the startrek tech compared 2 goauld tech would be how the goauld are 2 us at start of season 1!, way 2 advanced, hell the enterprise D war drive section alone could most prob take out a goauld mothership!
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| lordyu |
May 15th 2003, 1:59 AM
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Staff Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: February 13th 2003 Member No.: 652 |
well i wouldn't go that fare. the feds tech is more advance in some areas. the advantage that the goa'ulds have over the feds is there fire power, shield strenght, speed and healing divce.
the feds have better transporters, replicators to make them thing no need for storage, and halo deck. but that stuff do no good in a fire fight with a goa'uld mothership. |
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| Doomgoggles |
May 15th 2003, 3:09 AM
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Technical Sergeant  Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: March 17th 2003 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 1,132 Gender: Male |
okay....we know that the shields on most Federation ships can take several hits from quantom torpedos, which are many times more powerful than nuclear weapons. quantum torpedos actually disrupt space-fabric...photon torpedos are filled with separated matter and anti-matter packets which are combined during the time of impact, resulting in an explosion.
the numbers from the technical manuals and the star trek website really don't mean anything, since they don't have any consistency. I would say that Federation technology is about on par with the Tollan (400-600 years ahead of us). As for the phasers, they are supposed to be 'phased energy weapons' which are basically what the Goa'uld weapons are as well...so...like the Goa'uld weapons, they would be able to damage or penetrate shields. The transporters are definatly way more advanced than the ring-transporters. they're faster and they can work anywhere... The Goa'uld would still be ahead in terms of medical technology (able to raise the dead). So basically, yes: Earth would be able to create defense platforms to defend itself. however, this technology would require a tremendous amount of resources, meaning we'd have to mine the moon and Mars...creating the need for additional defenses. |
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| Einstein |
May 15th 2003, 3:38 AM
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I'd have to disagree on that one sorry! Given that BACK IN ("1961") the worlds biggest nuclear device was (58 megatons) which were detonated over Novaya Zemlya 30 october in 1961, And the russians where working on a 100 megaton yield at that time, but never tested it! Id say that in 400-600 years, theyd'e have weapons way more powerful than 500 megatons! Which would be at the startrek level of technology! And also the tolans level! So id say that federation technology is way more advanced than gould Tech! I think the federation dont build massive ships for treaty reasons! like the treaty where they cant use cloaking technology! |
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| lordyu |
May 15th 2003, 5:17 AM
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Staff Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: February 13th 2003 Member No.: 652 |
well you have to understand i base my figure off the fact that i get from the star trek spec site. and they base the info off the series and books and games. so there is no dispute the figure dont lie there weapon are just way to weak. to do any damage to a goa'uld mothership.
here are the spec if u dont beleave me and if u dont i went to the site ill give u that to. this are the spec for a gallexy class ship"enterprize" 14 x Type X Phaser arrays, total phaser output 70,000 TeraWatts = 16.74 megatons Shield system, total capacity 5,103,000 TeraJoules= 1,219.64 megatons 3 x Type 3 burst fire photon torpedo tubes + 275 torpedoes Antimatter spread emitter. = 12megatons each total 36 megatons Normal Cruise : Warp Factor 6 Maximum Cruise : Warp Factor 9.2 Maximum Rated : Warp Factor 9.9 for twelve hours http://www.ditl.org/ sorry i put spec for Ambassador class with it was suppost to be the gallexy class well i change it to the right one This post has been edited by lordyu: May 15th 2003, 12:53 PM |
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| Einstein |
May 15th 2003, 5:22 AM
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I agree lordyu, Just saying i think well have some great hard ware in a few hundred years!
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| weasel |
May 15th 2003, 11:26 AM
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Captain  Group: Members Posts: 823 Joined: February 28th 2003 From: Reading, England Member No.: 904 Gender: Male |
Do you remember in the startrek film "first contact" piccard killed some Borg using a Tommy-gun in the holodeck?
Well why don't they use guns against the borg? since they aren't energy weapons, it would be pretty hard to adapt. |
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| Mighty Thor |
May 15th 2003, 3:46 PM
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Lieutenant Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,315 Joined: May 12th 2003 From: Wales,Uk Member No.: 1,583 Gender: Male |
The ships are computer genareted really dadly(on planets)on startek, anyway, startrek tech is scientifacally flawed
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| weasel |
May 16th 2003, 1:34 AM
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Captain Group: Members Posts: 823 Joined: February 28th 2003 From: Reading, England Member No.: 904 Gender: Male |
Are you going to back that up with something? or is this just part of your spamming plan which gives you a rating of over 20 posts per day? I read somewhere that the startrek writers read through magazines like "new scientist" to get ideas. They are only theoretical at that point, my my point is that practically everything they do has some basis in theoretical/ accepted science. |
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| lordyu |
May 16th 2003, 2:01 AM
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Staff Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: February 13th 2003 Member No.: 652 |
the techs on star trek are all sound ideas there all base on scientific ideas. so if you got a Phd of your own in physics you can go argue with them about it.
heres some fact for you Scientists at NEC Corporation's have made light particls move 1.5 times faster then the speed of light with out it being distroyed. this was thought to be impossible just a little will back. |
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| OdinisThor'sDad |
May 16th 2003, 6:35 AM
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ASSgards are pussies!  Group: Moderators Posts: 7,207 Joined: January 29th 2003 From: Asan, South Korea (that's the good one) Member No.: 490 Gender: Male |
Making something move faster than light is impossible.........how did they measure these light 'particles'
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| weasel |
May 16th 2003, 9:15 AM
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Captain Group: Members Posts: 823 Joined: February 28th 2003 From: Reading, England Member No.: 904 Gender: Male |
do you mean they got light to travel faster than 3X10^8? cool- that would make it a, its on the tip of my tongue- tachyon, wooohoo, startrek is closer than we think. I heard a while ago that they made elelctrons go faster than light, but only beacuse by passing it through a material, it slowed the light enough for the electrons to overtake. |
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| Drizzt Do'Urden |
May 16th 2003, 10:40 AM
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Second Lieutenant  Group: Members Posts: 537 Joined: March 12th 2003 From: a galaxy far, far away Member No.: 1,083 |
what happens if you're flying at the speed of light and turn on your headlights? anyway, it depends on what tech we'd be getting, and who we'd be using it against. seriously, picture a federation ship trying to go against abubis's ship& the eye of ra.  |
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| Mighty Thor |
May 16th 2003, 10:53 AM
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Lieutenant Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,315 Joined: May 12th 2003 From: Wales,Uk Member No.: 1,583 Gender: Male |
Hey, we had the turn on your headlights discussion before, no not again.....
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| OdinisThor'sDad |
May 17th 2003, 12:55 AM
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ASSgards are pussies! Group: Moderators Posts: 7,207 Joined: January 29th 2003 From: Asan, South Korea (that's the good one) Member No.: 490 Gender: Male |
Look at realitivity. How about walking and carrying a flashlight. V1+V2....right.... Wrong |
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| Mighty Thor |
May 17th 2003, 5:05 AM
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Lieutenant Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,315 Joined: May 12th 2003 From: Wales,Uk Member No.: 1,583 Gender: Male |
you can measure the amount of energy from the light beam, i guess you figure out then how charged they are and how many
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| Dafmeister |
May 17th 2003, 5:54 AM
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General  Group: Moderators Posts: 11,905 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
Aaaarrrgggghhh............please no more physics. i studied that for three years at college and it hurt. my brain melted on many occasions. |
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| Mighty Thor |
May 17th 2003, 7:15 AM
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Lieutenant Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,315 Joined: May 12th 2003 From: Wales,Uk Member No.: 1,583 Gender: Male |
1. how would they have got the tech?
2.when in startrek do they have personal shields?, sounds like goa'uld tech 3.the tollan are living(dead  )proof that it takes more than tech |
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| Mike |
May 17th 2003, 9:28 AM
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I Piss Excellence Group: Moderators Posts: 3,015 Joined: March 4th 2003 From: New York, NY / Houston, TX Member No.: 957 Gender: Male |
It was mentioned in an episode of Deep Space 9 when the Dominion was threatening invasion of earth. Captain Sisko asked Star Fleet command to dispatch Federation troop patrols throughout the planet complete with rifles and personal force shields. Kinda weird seeing Federation officiers patrolling the French Quarter in New Orleans. |
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