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| Revan |
 Nov 9th 2007, 9:18 PM
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QUOTE(Dave312 @ Nov 9th 2007, 8:44 PM)  Does multiple chair platforms mean that more than one person can control drones during a battle? If so, what happens when two people are trying to control the same drone? Probably not. As I said, it was probably auxiliary, so there wouldn't be a conflict. Either they would control them from the bridge, or the chair room... Although, we don't know if the Orion's drones were controlled from a chair. Just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it wasn't there. |
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| JTMAG1 |
Nov 9th 2007, 10:34 PM
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The Last Shogun Group: Members Posts: 3,888 Joined: August 28th 2004 From: Long Beach, CA USA Member No.: 6,251 Gender: Male |
The thing I was getting at, but I didnt think I actually said, was why he wasn't controlling the ship from the second chair...
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| Revan |
Nov 10th 2007, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE(JTMAG1 @ Nov 9th 2007, 10:34 PM) The thing I was getting at, but I didnt think I actually said, was why he wasn't controlling the ship from the second chair... It may have only been for the drones. We don't know enough about the systems to give any adequate answer. |
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| lancelot2 |
Nov 10th 2007, 8:11 AM
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Second Lieutenant  Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(JTMAG1 @ Nov 10th 2007, 1:46 AM) I am starting to be bothered by the fact that the battle ship had a chair room, aside from the chair on the bridge. The Aurora's drones were fired from the bridge, and in Atlantis, drones and piloting are done from the same chair. Your thinking about the orion we never saw the Aurora fire drones.I think on the A class ships(Aurora class) chairs have different funtions I don't think the drone chair we saw in travelers could access the navigation (although i could be wrong)It probably had access to one battery of drones whilst the one on the bridge had access to another meaning that they could target more enemies at any given time. |
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| JTMAG1 |
Nov 10th 2007, 12:29 PM
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The Last Shogun Group: Members Posts: 3,888 Joined: August 28th 2004 From: Long Beach, CA USA Member No.: 6,251 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(lancelot2 @ Nov 10th 2007, 8:11 AM) Your thinking about the orion we never saw the Aurora fire drones.I think on the A class ships(Aurora class) chairs have different funtions I don't think the drone chair we saw in travelers could access the navigation (although i could be wrong)It probably had access to one battery of drones whilst the one on the bridge had access to another meaning that they could target more enemies at any given time. Yes, I was thinking of the Orion. |
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| Dafmeister |
Nov 10th 2007, 1:05 PM
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The ship seen in this episode and the Orion were different. Orion didn't have a neural interface, Lorne just flipped a switch to fire the drones. Even though they are clearly the same class of ship, the one seen in this episode was just given a clearly defined control system compared to what we saw earlier.
It's the same as the city ships. We saw the Asurans control their ship from the control room and Rodney also activated the Star Drive of the second city (in 'The Tower') from a console but Sheppard used the Chair to pilot the city to the new planet. |
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| JTMAG1 |
Nov 10th 2007, 1:49 PM
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The Last Shogun Group: Members Posts: 3,888 Joined: August 28th 2004 From: Long Beach, CA USA Member No.: 6,251 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Nov 10th 2007, 1:05 PM) The ship seen in this episode and the Orion were different. Orion didn't have a neural interface, Lorne just flipped a switch to fire the drones. Even though they are clearly the same class of ship, the one seen in this episode was just given a clearly defined control system compared to what we saw earlier. It's the same as the city ships. We saw the Asurans control their ship from the control room and Rodney also activated the Star Drive of the second city (in 'The Tower') from a console but Sheppard used the Chair to pilot the city to the new planet. Thanks Daf, I forgot about Rodney in 'The Tower'. |
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| Revan |
Nov 10th 2007, 2:05 PM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
In those cases they were manually activating systems, in the same way Sheppard used the auxiliary control room in this episode.
Rodney needed to find computer terminals capable of accessing flight functions in The Tower. I still don't think we know enough to speculate accurately or productively. |
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| lancelot2 |
Nov 11th 2007, 1:02 PM
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Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 574 Joined: October 2nd 2007 Member No.: 15,443 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Nov 10th 2007, 7:05 PM) The ship seen in this episode and the Orion were different. Orion didn't have a neural interface, Lorne just flipped a switch to fire the drones. Even though they are clearly the same class of ship, the one seen in this episode was just given a clearly defined control system compared to what we saw earlier. It's the same as the city ships. We saw the Asurans control their ship from the control room and Rodney also activated the Star Drive of the second city (in 'The Tower') from a console but Sheppard used the Chair to pilot the city to the new planet. yes but which chair was he using? was it the central control chair? or was it one of the others? atlantis has (I think) three control chairs but i would guess that only one of them controls the stardrive while the others control just the drones and minor systems,I am probably wrong though and that is just my theory but until tptb tell us otherwise or i hear a better idea then I will believe it to be true. |
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| KillerMarv |
Nov 11th 2007, 1:05 PM
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Major General Group: Members Posts: 3,441 Joined: April 7th 2006 From: Bucharest, Romania Member No.: 11,622 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(lancelot2 @ Nov 11th 2007, 8:02 PM) yes but which chair was he using? was it the central control chair? or was it one of the others? atlantis has (I think) three control chairs but i would guess that only one of them controls the stardrive while the others control just the drones and minor systems,I am probably wrong though and that is just my theory but until tptb tell us otherwise or i hear a better idea then I will believe it to be true. I don't see why you would be thinking there are 3 chairs. TPTB haven't told us that there are more than one chair in a city ship either.  |
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| Dafmeister |
Nov 11th 2007, 3:36 PM
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QUOTE(lancelot2 @ Nov 11th 2007, 6:02 PM) yes but which chair was he using? was it the central control chair? or was it one of the others? atlantis has (I think) three control chairs but i would guess that only one of them controls the stardrive while the others control just the drones and minor systems,I am probably wrong though and that is just my theory but until tptb tell us otherwise or i hear a better idea then I will believe it to be true. When has it EVER been said there are three Chairs in Atlantis? There is only one. Why would they need more than one given the Chairs allow access to the entire city? |
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| JTMAG1 |
Nov 11th 2007, 5:56 PM
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Nov 11th 2007, 3:36 PM) When has it EVER been said there are three Chairs in Atlantis? There is only one. Why would they need more than one given the Chairs allow access to the entire city? This is true, and it's what bothered me about the convenience of having two chairs on the ship. |
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| Revan |
Nov 11th 2007, 6:07 PM
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QUOTE(JTMAG1 @ Nov 11th 2007, 5:56 PM) This is true, and it's what bothered me about the convenience of having two chairs on the ship. There weren't two chairs on the ship. The Captain's chair just happened to have a neural control interface in case of emergency. |
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| lancelot2 |
Nov 12th 2007, 7:37 AM
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Nov 11th 2007, 9:36 PM) When has it EVER been said there are three Chairs in Atlantis? There is only one. Why would they need more than one given the Chairs allow access to the entire city? it has been said that there a three drone platforms in the city so i'd assume each drone platform would have a chair assigned to it (I will admit that I could be wrong about each platform having it's own chair however on the ancient ship there was more than one chair and atlantis is a lot bigger). |
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| Invisible Painting |
Nov 12th 2007, 8:33 AM
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QUOTE(lancelot2 @ Nov 12th 2007, 12:37 PM) it has been said that there a three drone platforms in the city so i'd assume each drone platform would have a chair assigned to it (I will admit that I could be wrong about each platform having it's own chair however on the ancient ship there was more than one chair and atlantis is a lot bigger). The Chair can control the entire city though (as seen by flying it) so it makes sense that the chair would control all the drone chambers as well. If you've got an attack on you don't want to be firing at only one third power until the other people can run to their chairs too. |
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| Revan |
Nov 12th 2007, 1:07 PM
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We have seen the chair control all of the drone repositiories.
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| lancelot2 |
Nov 14th 2007, 8:26 AM
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QUOTE(Invisible Painting @ Nov 12th 2007, 2:33 PM) The Chair can control the entire city though (as seen by flying it) so it makes sense that the chair would control all the drone chambers as well. If you've got an attack on you don't want to be firing at only one third power until the other people can run to their chairs too. yes but you are limited by how many ships you can concentrate on a single drone platform would take care of a hive ship or 2 until someone got to the other two chairs also I would expect that like on earth ships there would always be someone stationed in the chair room who could operate it if the city did come under attack especially during a time of war. QUOTE(Revan @ Nov 12th 2007, 7:07 PM) We have seen the chair control all of the drone repositiories. when? as far as I've seen we've only ever seen 1 drone repository active and that was during the seige part 2 with only a half dozen drones. also as i said before you couldn't control that many drones against so many enemies alone even an ancient wouldn't have the concentration to shoot at so many targets. |
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| Invisible Painting |
Nov 14th 2007, 9:20 AM
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QUOTE(lancelot2 @ Nov 14th 2007, 1:26 PM) when? as far as I've seen we've only ever seen 1 drone repository active and that was during the seige part 2 with only a half dozen drones. also as i said before you couldn't control that many drones against so many enemies alone even an ancient wouldn't have the concentration to shoot at so many targets. O'neill, in the lost city. 32ish ships, plus gliders, he took them all out he did! This post has been edited by Invisible Painting: Nov 14th 2007, 9:20 AM |
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| Revan |
Nov 14th 2007, 1:05 PM
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QUOTE(lancelot2 @ Nov 14th 2007, 8:26 AM) when? as far as I've seen we've only ever seen 1 drone repository active and that was during the seige part 2 with only a half dozen drones. also as i said before you couldn't control that many drones against so many enemies alone even an ancient wouldn't have the concentration to shoot at so many targets. In The Tower, Odo fires drones from every launcher. |
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| JTMAG1 |
Nov 14th 2007, 1:48 PM
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QUOTE(Invisible Painting @ Nov 14th 2007, 9:20 AM) O'neill, in the lost city. 32ish ships, plus gliders, he took them all out he did! And he did so avoiding friendly targets. And he was near death at the time. |
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| Dafmeister |
Nov 14th 2007, 1:57 PM
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QUOTE(Invisible Painting @ Nov 14th 2007, 2:20 PM) O'neill, in the lost city. 32ish ships, plus gliders, he took them all out he did! Multiple targets at anyone time too.I don't think there is any arguement that an Ancient could do the same given what O'Neill showed he could do with the drones. |
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| Dave312 |
Oct 14th 2008, 4:21 AM
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I don't know whether this nitpick has been pointed out before, but in this episode while Larin is distracting the Wraith and Sheppard is in the control chair preparing to fire a drone at these Wraith, Larin is using an Ancient handheld scanner. In The Seige Part I, Rodney says that only someone who has the Ancient gene can use those devices. And it is also said that none of the Travellers have the Ancient gene; so how could she use the scanner??
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| kordone |
Oct 14th 2008, 4:47 AM
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I noticed that, also seen Ronan using one a few times as well. I think they've moved on to 'just have to be intiailised first' thing with that.
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| JTMAG1 |
Oct 14th 2008, 11:15 AM
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The Last Shogun Group: Members Posts: 3,888 Joined: August 28th 2004 From: Long Beach, CA USA Member No.: 6,251 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Dave312 @ Oct 14th 2008, 2:21 AM) I don't know whether this nitpick has been pointed out before, but in this episode while Larin is distracting the Wraith and Sheppard is in the control chair preparing to fire a drone at these Wraith, Larin is using an Ancient handheld scanner. In The Seige Part I, Rodney says that only someone who has the Ancient gene can use those devices. And it is also said that none of the Travellers have the Ancient gene; so how could she use the scanner?? I thought they said that some of the travellers had the gene, but none with the level of control that Sheppard had. |
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