What about the loo?, fictional bodily functions Options

[Revan]

No, you can't. You're not a mod in this section.

It's fanfic. Anyone adopting a classification like that is deluding themselves...and possibly being pretentious.

Oh, and I don't consider those Star Wars novels to be canon, either. Canon for me includes the 6 films and Clone Wars. If I wanted to get picky about the whole thing, that would mean looking at the books, comics, and other stuff George Lucas has signed off on.

I think I may be able to close and delete the topic since i created it... OR, it is a glitch of some sort.... but this isn't the only place the mod box came up on the bottom right with only 2 options. (Where I wasn't a mod)

Well, I am arrogant... maybe thats it? Or I was joking... I haven't decided which.

Canon is anything officially produced... For ST, it ould be the films and series, for SW, it would be the films and probably that Clone Wars cartoon.

[Rogue Ashrak]

I was specifically alluding to GL and SW. I guess I coulda been more specific. Do you consider those SW novels to be canon?

Oh, and I don't consider those Star Wars novels to be canon, either. Canon for me includes the 6 films and Clone Wars. If I wanted to get picky about the whole thing, that would mean looking at the books, comics, and other stuff George Lucas has signed off on.

Canon is anything officially produced... For ST, it ould be the films and series, for SW, it would be the films and probably that Clone Wars cartoon.

As Parm said, the SW novels are considered Canon, however of a lower level to the movies. The actual level of Star Wars canon attributed to the various workes has actually been defined as follows:

(taken from Wookiepedia)-

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G-canon is "George Lucas" canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely.

C-canon is "continuity" canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters, Salporin, and Action VI Transports.

S-canon is "secondary" canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.

N-canon is "non-canon." What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm.

G-Canon and C-canon generally work together pretty well, especially seeing as Lucas gets final say in all big story desicisions used in the C-Canon novels. Although there have been some exceptions where Lucas is a bit of an ass about it,he has said that if he wants to contradict some established C-canon stories in a later work of his then he will. (a little like Devlin and his Stargate movie sequels).
For example Boba Fett's survival and escape after being eaten by the Sarlaac in Return of the Jedi, has been pretty much entrenched into the post-Endor novels, yet Lucas has stated that he never intended Boba Fett to survive, and considers him dead for the purposes of his version of the Star Wars universe. Whilst he hasn't written anything to majorly contradict the EU novels yet, he's pretty much said he will if he wants too.
On the other hand, as mentioned, he did take some elements from the books and used them in Prequel Trilogy. For example the name of Coruscant for the galactic capital, was originally coined by Timothy Zahn in the Thrawn trilogy. Zahn also was the first to include the 501st Strormtrooper legion (Vader's Fist) into canon in order to honour the real-life charity group of the same name. Lucas subsequently gave them a role in Episode III.

....I seem to have rambled on a bit there. Back to the original point about canon, I guess it can be safely assumed that any officially licensed works where at least a portion of the sales proceeds go back to the IP holders (i.e in the case of SW, Lucasfilm), can be considered canon of some level to that paticular fictional universe.
Unsactioned works are obviously fanfic and completely non-canon.


(PS. As an aside, the Star Wars EU novels, particularly the ones set post-Endor, are waaaaay better than the movies. Heck, if Zahn had written the prequel trilogy, you would have all been very happy. Zahn's characters aren't annoying )

This post has been edited by Rogue Ashrak: Mar 5th 2007, 8:10 AM

[JTMAG1]

Thats very interesting. I am a Starwars fan, but I've never delved into that much detail.

[Admiral]

My, what fictional properties have been endowed upon the lowly sound wave. You wouldn't be able to vaporise bacteria without high, high temperatures, even if it is a miniscule amount. They might be able to fragment the dirt into small pieces...and blow them off somehow, but it's a bit of a rubbish concept.

(also, I don't see how the dirt could be made to float away at such slow speeds, by sonically-speeded waves.)

See:
What Sound CAN Do...

The bubble reaches temperatures close to that of the Sun, 'high' enough for you?

This post has been edited by Admiral: May 13th 2007, 2:26 PM

[Parmenides]

Strangely enough, I found myself reading that very same wikipedia article today. Freaky.

I should've been clearer - regardless of the temperatures reached by the sound waves, for it to "vaporise" the bacteria, it would have to do some pretty serious damage to the person using the sonic shower, because of the heat involved. Not fun.

Sonoluminescence is a very particular case anyway - it's not to do with the vibrational energy passed on by the sound waves, but due to the sudden collapse of the bubbles, along with the standing waves inside them. Also, sonoluminescence requires a liquid for the bubbles to propagate in - so you're just as well having a bath anyway.

[Revan]

Why can't it be called a 'sonic' shower just because its simple to say, instead of for any scientific reason?

[Parmenides]

Why can't it be called a 'sonic' shower just because its simple to say, instead of for any scientific reason?

Duh. Just duh.
Why can't we discuss how foolish a name it is, for a world trying to portray the future of science?

[Admiral]

I think I see your point, "Sonic Shower" is a lot easier to say than, "Energy Wave Propagation Harmonic Resonance Cleansing Unit"
speaking of which do you think 'Sonic' is an abbreviation?

[Revan]

I think I see your point, "Sonic Shower" is a lot easier to say than, "Energy Wave Propagation Harmonic Resonance Cleansing Unit"
speaking of which do you think 'Sonic' is an abbreviation?

An abbreviation for what?



In BSG, there was urination in the forest during a convo between two guys; you could hear the sprinkle on the leaves. Course, there are toilets and restrooms in that series, as opposed to in Star Trek...

[expigeendeata]

Hahaha..."prepare" him. That was certainly what she tried to do. I also wonder what her part of the therapy sessions will be...will it have anything to do with Sams father? Hmmm...