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Revan
post Jun 17th 2007, 11:42 AM
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The Iratus bug never seemed to suck its food dry. TPTB probably wanted to put some distance between the big uglies and the Wraith.
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post Jun 17th 2007, 4:43 PM
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I like the idea of keeping Michael as an ememy somewhere out there. He is an example of mistakes coming back to bite us in the ass when we're not careful. I think it's good to keep that around to pull out every once in a while. Not a bad episode over all.
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post Jun 17th 2007, 5:25 PM
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QUOTE(ancient01 @ Jun 17th 2007, 4:43 PM) *

I like the idea of keeping Michael as an ememy somewhere out there. He is an example of mistakes coming back to bite us in the ass when we're not careful. I think it's good to keep that around to pull out every once in a while. Not a bad episode over all.

Like the mistake of not beaming him on board the Wraith dart and taking him prisoner while you had the chance?
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post Jun 17th 2007, 6:56 PM
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QUOTE(JTMAG1 @ Jun 17th 2007, 11:25 PM) *

Like the mistake of not beaming him on board the Wraith dart and taking him prisoner while you had the chance?

Yeah, like that one tongue.gif If they did that then....yeah they could just shoot him when they rematerialised him, guess they didn't think of that wink.gif But agreed having him around is good, because as Ronan said they shouldn't have done it in the first place, not only did it backfire but it was hugely morally questionable in the first place. Really keeps reminding them of that and it's a good thing, you should keep reminding them teams of their mistakes. Because it is good for them, and us watching smile.gif
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post Jun 18th 2007, 12:47 AM
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He would have needed young Wraith for that though. Given the Wraith no longer consider him one of them, it is unlikely he could get any.


I didn't mean the young Wraith part, what I meant was doing the same thing as the early version of the retro-virus did to Ellia which stripped the human part of her DNA away & made her more like the Irratus bug.
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post Jun 18th 2007, 7:29 AM
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That would mean Michael would need full grown Wraith. The normal Wraith hate him and would most likely be unwilling to have anything to do with him.
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post Jun 18th 2007, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Jun 18th 2007, 7:29 AM) *

That would mean Michael would need full grown Wraith. The normal Wraith hate him and would most likely be unwilling to have anything to do with him.


Wasn't she like a teenager? The, for lack of a better word, going through puberty stage? I didn't think she was fully grown at that point in time.
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post Jun 19th 2007, 3:42 AM
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Yes but what I was trying to say was that the original retovirus created by Beckett only worked on a Wraith, altering it so that the Iratus bug DNA was more dominant. As far as I can guess, injecting an Iratus bug with the original retrovirus used on Ellia wouldn't do anything as the Iratus bug would only have their own DNA in their bodies.
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post Jun 19th 2007, 7:04 PM
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Jun 19th 2007, 3:42 AM) *

Yes but what I was trying to say was that the original retovirus created by Beckett only worked on a Wraith, altering it so that the Iratus bug DNA was more dominant. As far as I can guess, injecting an Iratus bug with the original retrovirus used on Ellia wouldn't do anything as the Iratus bug would only have their own DNA in their bodies.


Okay, got it. Yes you are correct. If used on the bug, I doubt that anything would happen. I believe the bug's dna is stronger than the human dna, or the Wraith would look more human and not buglike.
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post Jun 20th 2007, 3:30 AM
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QUOTE(IndyJan @ Jun 20th 2007, 3:04 AM) *

Okay, got it. Yes you are correct. If used on the bug, I doubt that anything would happen. I believe the bug's dna is stronger than the human dna, or the Wraith would look more human and not buglike.


The Wraith do look quite human though. They stand on two feet. Move the same way as humans, they look like humans, they have the characteristics of humans. They differ by skin color, some aspects of the face, teeth, some internal organs, regeneration, mind abilities. I say there is a fair amount of characteristics from both species. biggrin.gif

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post Jun 20th 2007, 5:13 AM
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When did Shepard learn how to fly the wraith darts so easily? Last time I remember he had to guess what he was doing because he couldn't understand the Wraith display.
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post Jun 20th 2007, 7:41 AM
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QUOTE(KillerMarv @ Jun 20th 2007, 9:30 AM) *
The Wraith do look quite human though. They stand on two feet. Move the same way as humans, they look like humans, they have the characteristics of humans. They differ by skin color, some aspects of the face, teeth, some internal organs, regeneration, mind abilities. I say there is a fair amount of characteristics from both species. biggrin.gif
How much of the Human genome is required to make a the Wraith a bipedal species? Would it be possible for a retrovirus to strip all but the basic Human genome in essence making a Humanoid Iratus bug?
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post Jun 20th 2007, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(StarFighter @ Jun 20th 2007, 5:13 AM) *

When did Shepard learn how to fly the wraith darts so easily? Last time I remember he had to guess what he was doing because he couldn't understand the Wraith display.

Sheppard is an exceptional pilot. he has learned to fly the Jumper, the 302 and the Dart with little to no training. I had a teacher who was a pilot. He says that Once you know where the throttle and the flight controls are, you can pretty much fly anything.
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post Jun 20th 2007, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Jun 20th 2007, 3:41 PM) *

How much of the Human genome is required to make a the Wraith a bipedal species? Would it be possible for a retrovirus to strip all but the basic Human genome in essence making a Humanoid Iratus bug?


I was merely speculating on how much of each species is in a Wraith. There is a big difference between the DNA code of a bipedal creature and the DNA of a non-bipedal creature. And an even bigger one from a buglike creature to a humanoid one. You can see this in how the retrovirus acted. In stripped a lot of Ellia's genome, but the resulting creature was still bipedal, and non-buglike. The color of the skin changed, and she became much more aggressive. We don't know how was she feeding, or how was she reproducing at that level, since we had too less time, but I say she was far enough from both humanoid Iratus bug and Wraith.

Actually, we don't know how Wraith reproduce either. That would be important to know if we want to know how much human and how much Iratus bug do Wraith have in their genome.
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post Jun 20th 2007, 5:30 PM
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QUOTE(KillerMarv @ Jun 20th 2007, 3:30 AM) *

The Wraith do look quite human though. They stand on two feet. Move the same way as humans, they look like humans, they have the characteristics of humans. They differ by skin color, some aspects of the face, teeth, some internal organs, regeneration, mind abilities. I say there is a fair amount of characteristics from both species. biggrin.gif


Even though the Wraith stand and walk like humans, have two arms and two legs, that is all that I see that is human. I see so much more bug characteristics in the face and definitely in how they feed. They definitely regenerate as some bugs do. We know from Beckett that the internal organs are different. I still feel the bug dna is stronger.
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post Jun 21st 2007, 6:48 AM
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QUOTE(IndyJan @ Jun 21st 2007, 1:30 AM) *

Even though the Wraith stand and walk like humans, have two arms and two legs, that is all that I see that is human. I see so much more bug characteristics in the face and definitely in how they feed. They definitely regenerate as some bugs do. We know from Beckett that the internal organs are different. I still feel the bug dna is stronger.


They have two types of feeding:

1) The human way, with which they eat using their mouth and stomach, but as they said, this doesn't satisfy their body's energy requirements.

2) Their own unique way, with which they do satisfy the body, and improve their regeneration.

Beckett said that they have common organs and different organs than ours.

They are humanoid...

I still say that the characteristics are fairly distributed.

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post Jun 26th 2007, 1:45 AM
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QUOTE(KillerMarv @ Jun 21st 2007, 6:48 AM) *

They have two types of feeding:

1) The human way, with which they eat using their mouth and stomach, but as they said, this doesn't satisfy their body's energy requirements.

2) Their own unique way, with which they do satisfy the body, and improve their regeneration.

Beckett said that they have common organs and different organs than ours.

They are humanoid...

I still say that the characteristics are fairly distributed.

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Well then I guess we shall just have to disagree! smile.gif
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post Nov 2nd 2007, 10:06 AM
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Micheal's creatures made gave me nightmares , they were creeepy . Making Atlantis seem darker now , reminded me of Alien though .
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