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> Cast spoilers - season 4, More axes to come.
Revan
post Feb 13th 2007, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(Sighfienerd @ Feb 13th 2007, 10:17 PM) *

Oh wow...

What is Scifi thinking??? First, they break up their star lineup on Friday night, then they cancel their flagship show, and now make insanely huge changes to a show that was doing very well in the ratings just as it was?? I'm wondering how they're going to successfully integrate all these changes, but possibly judgment should be reserved, seeing as how they managed to revitalize SG1 by adding new characters and all new storylines. We'll see...

Can't SciFi only be held responsible for airing the show... all other choices are made by MGM and TPTB...
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post Feb 14th 2007, 5:11 AM
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Yes, TPTB are responsible for cast changes not Sci-Fi. In the past, a character being reduced to recurring role has meant TPTB aren't happy with the character and were preparing to get rid of him/her.
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post Feb 14th 2007, 9:29 AM
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TBH TPTB might not be completely repsonsible for all the changes.
SciFi have the power to demand things, as they finance the show. I won't be surprsied if the scenario went somethign liek this - SciFi cancelling SG1 but renewing SGA,m and demanding one of the SG1 characters be transferred to SGA to boost ratings. Decision falls on AT because she's already udner contract for another season and Carter makes sense in SGA, etc etc etc. Only, she's way too expansive for them for their shrinking budget, now that they can't play with the budget for both shows. So, as a result they realise they can't keep all the SGA cast and someone has to go.

So, yeah, TPTB's call, btu not quite...

(obviuosly, I've n9o idea what really happened and why Weir has been reduced to recurring....)
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post Feb 14th 2007, 9:37 AM
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Well I do know forinstace that the reason that the prometheus was in the episode Memento was because sci fi 'asked' them in include it in another episode (presumably to open up options of a spin off at the time). But they do have influence pitry's right. Cast changes like BB coming to sg1 were the producers decision though, but any cast changes to my knowledge get run by sci fi first for their approval.
Apparently sci fi weren't too keen on the idea of Ronan being an alien either, as they felt it would make there be too many aliens, but they managed to compromise and make him military from another planet and therefore ok apparently.
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post Feb 14th 2007, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(Revan @ Feb 13th 2007, 10:42 PM) *

Can't SciFi only be held responsible for airing the show... all other choices are made by MGM and TPTB...



QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Feb 14th 2007, 5:11 AM) *

Yes, TPTB are responsible for cast changes not Sci-Fi. In the past, a character being reduced to recurring role has meant TPTB aren't happy with the character and were preparing to get rid of him/her.

Whoops, yeah...my bad. So I shall have to split my ire between scifi interfering with the Friday night line up and TPTB messing about with a perfectly good formula. But yeah, in any case...it seems like their decisions have resulted in lower ratings and fan disgruntlement (is that a word?). Way to go!!\

I liked Weir too. She was coming along. Why is it that all the really good characters on these shows are guys? I don't know why Weir couldn't have been written as the neurotic, brilliant, snarky McKay. You don't have to be "by the book" to be a good leader as shown by O'Neill, but somehow the writers have decided if you're a woman you have to be blah, goody two shoes, and passionless. It's like the whore/madonna complex applied to female characters in science fiction. I'd like to see a saucy wench, brilliant, arrogant, and self aware, running Atlantis. Now that would be fun!
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post Feb 15th 2007, 6:01 AM
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I don't wander into this part of the forum very often, not being a huge Atlantis fan, but I was intrigued enough to know if it were true that Beckett was going. Imagine my amazement that not only was he (my favorite character) going but so was Weir, practically. I admit it took me awhile to warm up to the character of Weir, some of Torri's best scenes were in 'Lost City' as her character fumbled to figure out her role in the SGC.
Like Xay, it is getting harder and harder for me to get excited about this franchise.
Will I tune in on Friday nights just to watch this? Well, I forgot to tune in Sunday to watch BSG so I suspect that may happen to this show, too.
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post Feb 15th 2007, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(wonderland @ Feb 15th 2007, 6:01 AM) *

I don't wander into this part of the forum very often, not being a huge Atlantis fan, but I was intrigued enough to know if it were true that Beckett was going. Imagine my amazement that not only was he (my favorite character) going but so was Weir, practically. I admit it took me awhile to warm up to the character of Weir, some of Torri's best scenes were in 'Lost City' as her character fumbled to figure out her role in the SGC.

That wasn't Torri... That was... Jessica Steed, I think...
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QUOTE(Revan @ Feb 15th 2007, 11:08 AM) *

That wasn't Torri... That was... Jessica Steed, I think...

Oops, should have said "New Order". I didn't like Jessica Steen at all.
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post Feb 15th 2007, 5:41 PM
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QUOTE(wonderland @ Feb 15th 2007, 5:08 PM) *

Oops, should have said "New Order". I didn't like Jessica Steen at all.

Oh it was Steen... LoL laugh.gif

I liked her fine for that episode, but I don't think she could have filled the SGA role.
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post Feb 15th 2007, 7:27 PM
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Tbh I really liked Steen, and thought it was going to be bad them replacing her. But after about 5 seconds of Higginson I prefered her, there was just something about her, I really liked it.
I do admit though that they did develop her better in new order then they did in a lot of atlantis's early on. Although they've gotten better and her character doesn't feel filler anymore (although I did always quite like her, but she feels like she has a proper role now). SGA will follow the new sg1's in april though, so some of them won't be too hard to just not turn the channel lol. But there are a couple there that I would definately say watch, even if you're not too big a fan of the show...
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post Feb 15th 2007, 8:10 PM
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QUOTE(Revan @ Feb 15th 2007, 5:41 PM) *

Oh it was Steen... LoL laugh.gif

I liked her fine for that episode, but I don't think she could have filled the SGA role.

I always thought Steen looked too young to have amassed the resume Weir had at that point.
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post Feb 15th 2007, 8:54 PM
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QUOTE(wonderland @ Feb 15th 2007, 8:10 PM) *

I always thought Steen looked too young to have amassed the resume Weir had at that point.

Well Higginson is young too...
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QUOTE(Revan @ Feb 15th 2007, 8:54 PM) *

Well Higginson is young too...

Yeah, I know but she seems to exude an air of maturity that Steen just couldn't. To me, anyway...
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post Feb 16th 2007, 4:28 PM
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QUOTE(wonderland @ Feb 15th 2007, 8:10 PM) *

I always thought Steen looked too young to have amassed the resume Weir had at that point.

I like Steen well enough, but Torri brought a kind of a gravitas to the role that Steen lacked, I think.
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Do we know weather Torri's role will be a Hammond-type role (Always around but only appears for the briefings and such) or is she being removed form Atlantis and the reaccuring episodes have her returning, EG Caldwell & The Daedalus?

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QUOTE(dr lee @ Feb 17th 2007, 3:18 PM) *

Do we know weather Torri's role will be a Hammond-type role (Always around but only appears for the briefings and such) or is she being removed form Atlantis and the reaccuring episodes have her returning, EG Caldwell & The Daedalus?

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or perhaps
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QUOTE(dr lee @ Feb 17th 2007, 3:18 PM) *
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It's unlikely they are killing her off. Her decisions during her command have been in question for most of season 3 so it is likely she is being removed and replaced (much the same way they replaced Hammond with Weir).
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post Feb 18th 2007, 9:55 AM
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Let's face it. The Stargate story has been going on for what? Over 10 years now? It is getting harder and harder to come up with story lines. All shows eventually end because of this.

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Sci fi putting out word on it, yay. I like the fact that they always say stuff and act as if they're reporting it as brand new But still it is a bit interesting to read comparred to gateworlds article which paraphrased a lot of it incorrectly.

Also says that the 4th season 'will comence in the fall', suspected about as much. This way sga + bsg can run alongside together.

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QUOTE(Invisible Painting @ Feb 20th 2007, 11:37 PM) *

Sci fi putting out word on it, yay. I like the fact that they always say stuff and act as if they're reporting it as brand new But still it is a bit interesting to read comparred to gateworlds article which paraphrased a lot of it incorrectly.

Also says that the 4th season 'will comence in the fall', suspected about as much. This way sga + bsg can run alongside together.


BSG season 4 doesn't sgtart til January, tho.
mm... I guess I shoudl have checked this hread before I made a post about it in the general discussion, huh? smile.gif and yet, this fal thing just so pisses me off.
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QUOTE(Pitry @ Feb 20th 2007, 10:21 PM) *
BSG season 4 doesn't sgtart til January, tho.
The US got season 3 in the fall this time round. It only began to air in the UK in January.
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Feb 21st 2007, 12:26 AM) *

The US got season 3 in the fall this time round. It only began to air in the UK in January.


Sorry, you're right.
January, 2008.
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(there's been a press release on that, too, they confirmed it).

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Maybe this will mark the entrance of the Evil Furlings at long last!!! whistling.gif
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