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Dafmeister
post Apr 30th 2007, 2:21 PM
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QUOTE(IndyJan @ Apr 30th 2007, 7:58 PM) *
Stupid M&M! Once again, they have given us a totally wasteful, useless and unentertaining episode.
Given that in his own eyes Mallozzi believes he can do no wrong when it comes to writing episodes, I wouldn't be suprised to see another M&M episode in season 4 with Lucius as the antagonist.
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post Apr 30th 2007, 4:24 PM
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But they only dunked his head in the water.....

That's like what... 20% of the total shield area? Even if there was no air around his head, there should have been plenty of air coming into the shield all around the rest of his body... blink.gif
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post Apr 30th 2007, 4:43 PM
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QUOTE(Janos @ May 1st 2007, 12:24 AM) *

But they only dunked his head in the water.....

That's like what... 20% of the total shield area? Even if there was no air around his head, there should have been plenty of air coming into the shield all around the rest of his body... blink.gif


It depends how far the shield is from the skin. It would be easy for him to breathe even if there is no space at all. But with no space at all, air couldn't circulate under the shield.
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post Apr 30th 2007, 5:51 PM
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QUOTE(Shylodog @ Apr 30th 2007, 12:16 PM) *

While this probably makes immense sense to you rocket scientists, can you understand where those of us laymen are getting lost in translation? You say he can be bent over into a bucket, because force cannot be denied, however why wasn't he forced into a prove position (albeit physically uninjured) by that heavy load that was dropped on his head. It's the same type of physical force which should be acting upon the shield in the same way, it's just varying degrees of force. 1.gif

We already know this personal shield is not like the Goa'uld one where slow moving obects can pass through, so my point is that (being the layman that I am) I cannot understand why a small force against the force field would have a greater effect on the protected than the greater force. huh.gif

I mean, ultimately I have the answer: dramatic effect in a scifi show. biggrin.gif

Technology that advanced would have to differentiate between a hug and a baseball bat, to conserve energy, and to react in a protective manner.

Getting hit by a bus, you would get thrown, but not injured... it is all in how the technology absorbs the blow. You can't deny the kinetic energy of a moving bus, but the inertial dampener can soften the effects inside the protected area.
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post Apr 30th 2007, 6:37 PM
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QUOTE(KillerMarv @ Apr 30th 2007, 3:43 PM) *

It depends how far the shield is from the skin. It would be easy for him to breathe even if there is no space at all. But with no space at all, air couldn't circulate under the shield.

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Well, look at his arm. His elbow is bent out in a Peter Pan stance. And the shield covers all the space between his elbow and his side.

So, it obviously has enough space between him and the shield to provide air if just his head is underwater.
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post Apr 30th 2007, 6:48 PM
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QUOTE(Janos @ May 1st 2007, 2:37 AM) *

Well, look at his arm. His elbow is bent out in a Peter Pan stance. And the shield covers all the space between his elbow and his side.

So, it obviously has enough space between him and the shield to provide air if just his head is underwater.


Well now... This could all be a mistake made by the CGI fellows... Or you could be right, and I need to go to bed. 1.gif whistling.gif
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post Apr 30th 2007, 9:20 PM
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Okay when Rodney had one during season 1, no one could touch him. This time, no one could touch Lucius at the beginning, so how the heck did they get a hold of his neck and be able to dunk his head? This makes no sense, but then once again, it's M & M! sick.gif
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post May 1st 2007, 1:25 AM
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I see the shield covering his arm and his torso, with empty space in between... or am I wrong?
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post May 1st 2007, 1:34 AM
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I was looking at it earlier... I swear I can see a green tint to the space...

But even if there's not, you can see the edge of the shield is away from the edge of his body.

You can see where his elbow is in that pic, and if you try to fit that in with where his hand is, there's too much shield for it being right against him.
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post May 1st 2007, 1:46 AM
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Well the shield couldn't be directly on his skin... wouldn't do him much good...
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post May 1st 2007, 9:25 AM
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QUOTE(Revan @ May 1st 2007, 1:46 AM) *

Well the shield couldn't be directly on his skin... wouldn't do him much good...

Exactly, you would need some space for the dampening effect.
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Which means there should have been plenty of space throughout the other 80% of his shield to provide him oxygen when the 20% or so of his head was under water.
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post May 1st 2007, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(Janos @ May 1st 2007, 7:40 PM) *

Which means there should have been plenty of space throughout the other 80% of his shield to provide him oxygen when the 20% or so of his head was under water.


Not necessarily. We know that air enters the shield, but what stops us from saying it can't get out as well. It would be impossible for air to get to his submerged head, if it would simply enter the shield and get out immediately after that.

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QUOTE(KillerMarv @ May 1st 2007, 11:28 AM) *

but what stops us from saying it can't get out as well.

Diffusion. smile.gif

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It would be impossible for air to get to his submerged head, if it would simply enter the shield and get out immediately after that.

If air gets in, it wouldn't follow a straight path out. Air's a fluid and it would diffuse through open space. Air would be entering and exiting all the time (otherwise he'd have CO2 poisoning). So the CO2 and Oxygen in the air would diffuse in the free space between the shield and his body.
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post May 1st 2007, 6:14 PM
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The shield doesn't block air. But then, he was freaking out pretty nicely, so Lucius might not have been trying to breathe... he was a bit dull.
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post Aug 19th 2007, 2:39 PM
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QUOTE(Revan @ May 2nd 2007, 1:14 AM) *

The shield doesn't block air. But then, he was freaking out pretty nicely, so Lucius might not have been trying to breathe... he was a bit dull.


I think that this is a most possible explanation.
P.S.: Why didn't they get rid of that guy, he's only makeing trouble.
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post Aug 19th 2007, 4:16 PM
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QUOTE(bostjan91 @ Aug 19th 2007, 8:39 PM) *
P.S.: Why didn't they get rid of that guy, he's only makeing trouble.
The Atlantis team don't go around killing the annoying guys, just the bad guys. I wish he had been killed but it pretty much would have been murder.
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post Aug 19th 2007, 4:19 PM
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Aug 20th 2007, 12:16 AM) *

The Atlantis team don't go around killing the annoying guys, just the bad guys. I wish he had been killed but it pretty much would have been murder.


But they can still pretty much "kill" him. By not showing him ever again... And it won't be murder. 1.gif
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post Aug 19th 2007, 4:29 PM
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True but I would have prefered Lucius suffered a physical death rather than a metaphorical death.
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post Aug 20th 2007, 2:21 AM
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I didn't think that way, just do something that they have no problem with him again
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