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post Sep 19th 2006, 10:33 PM
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Speaking of Teyla - and Ronon - can they please start paying attention to them too? That would have made the episode truely perfect, had they not ignored these two, yet again. Well, can't get everything.



I can't agree enough. Really not enough.
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post Sep 20th 2006, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(hobo_joe20 @ Sep 19th 2006, 7:55 PM) *

How does "potential to be freakishly scary" sound then? 1.gif Because they really could have made them out to be alot worse. Keep the same plot lines, scenes, etc. Just add some stuff where the wraith are in the city/attacking the Atlantis teams that the atlantis keep seeing ghosts and so don't actually have an accurate count of how many wraith are actually out there.


Much better. ;) The psychological issue is why I enjoy the Orii so much - I hope they'll start paying attention to that side of the Wraith soon, rather than just have life-sucking vampires rummaging around muttering cliches. ;)

(Pitry isn't a big Wraith fan - although they're getting much better now that Christopher Heyerndel (sp?) is doing them!)

As for the DHD discussion - McKay mentioned the reason they can't manually dial-up - they haev no power. False, actually, because it has been established in Stargate that the gate should hold enough excessive power for one more dial up without a DHD, but I can't remember which episode that was. In all others they did need a power source for a manual dial-up -Torment of Tantlaos, Prisoners, New Ground...
I agree, however, that blowing the DHD with c4 is idiotic. So was the UAV ;)
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post Sep 21st 2006, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE(mithwriter @ Sep 17th 2006, 12:46 PM) *

Not too shabby, although I too recognized elements of the vastly superior "Paradise Lost" episode, which was far creepier than this was. I appreciate how the plot started Ronan running away from the team to chase his hallucination, but had him circle around back to the team when his delusions were at their height.

I thought the Beckett arc was the best one of the lot, and I was genuinely surprised that the first soldier was dead for so long, while the other one he thought was dead was still hanging in there. Well done.

I think they missed a great opportunity with the Sheppard/Teyla arc. I think it would've been more interesting if Sheppard had thought he was trying to save someone in another scenario that he really cared about while she doesn't realise that his reactions are for someone else really not there.

Instead, it was sort of a one way street as far as character dynamics go. Oh well.


Totally agree.
Teyla is fading away as a character.

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Speaking of Teyla - and Ronon - can they please start paying attention to them too? That would have made the episode truely perfect, had they not ignored these two, yet again. Well, can't get everything.


Ronon did at least have a recent episode focused on him. Teyla's seems to have lost everything, including that fighting room she used for training!





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post Sep 26th 2006, 2:00 PM
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QUOTE(Pitry @ Sep 20th 2006, 4:46 PM) *

As for the DHD discussion - McKay mentioned the reason they can't manually dial-up - they haev no power. False, actually, because it has been established in Stargate that the gate should hold enough excessive power for one more dial up without a DHD, but I can't remember which episode that was. In all others they did need a power source for a manual dial-up -Torment of Tantlaos, Prisoners, New Ground...
I agree, however, that blowing the DHD with c4 is idiotic. So was the UAV ;)


There is mention from McKay that the guy that did this; new exactly where to place the C4 in order to assure destruction. He may just as well removed the center piece and placed the explosion between the crystals. The point is that that even an armored car would break up if the grenade is under its hood.

About the manual dial up, it crossed my mind too. However the design of the Stargate in the Pegasus is different; no moving parts. In any other example you have mentioned the team moves the ring and locks the Chevrons by hand. They couldn't have done it with their current gate.
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post Oct 17th 2006, 1:54 PM
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This episode was pretty good. I found it a bit boring at times, but I was wondering how the team would make it out of this one (cuz I knew for sure that all 5 of them would make it out alive...as usual) When they found the first few bodies and they said 'this one has been shot' and Teyla said 'several times' or whatever, I immediately thought of Lt. Ford. But saddly I was wrong sad.gif When Barroso and Kagan were shot I assumed they would both die which kinda made me angry as the show has a knack of just killing off other teams (which I just realized do not have assigned names like SG-5) But I was amazed when Barroso was alive. But whoa!!! he wasn't really alive, it was just Beckett, awesome twist. It threw me off when Leonard called for the Promethus and he saw the Kull warriors. I have never seen him before but I assume that means he had a tie in with a previous stargate sg-1 episode. (did he star in one? or was it just implied that he was involved in an off-camera scene with them)

Correct me if I'm wrong but Wasn't the Taliban at war with Russia and the U.s. was backing the Taliban? So why was Sheppard shooting at them? Unless I'm thinking of a different time...
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post Oct 17th 2006, 4:22 PM
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QUOTE(Ty_dA_maNn58 @ Oct 17th 2006, 2:54 PM) *

It threw me off when Leonard called for the Promethus and he saw the Kull warriors. I have never seen him before but I assume that means he had a tie in with a previous stargate sg-1 episode. (did he star in one? or was it just implied that he was involved in an off-camera scene with them)

Correct me if I'm wrong but Wasn't the Taliban at war with Russia and the U.s. was backing the Taliban? So why was Sheppard shooting at them? Unless I'm thinking of a different time...

No, it just means he was a member of the SGC when we had to deal with the Kull Warriors.

Not in the Persian Gulf War... 1990.... I think that is where the flashbacks took place... huh.gif
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post Oct 18th 2006, 12:18 PM
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I guess in this episode they provided the details behind Sheppard's unfavourable transfer to the Atlantic. Despite his experience and training he was sent to fly people back and forth from the station. And also it ties with the comments about not following proper procedure and with his comment in "The Intruder" about knowing many people who thought he'd never go further than Major. I like that continuity of the little things.

I also liked that the escort soldiers were involved in the episode. They usually treat them as non persons. They usually just get killed or beaten up.
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post Oct 28th 2006, 6:54 AM
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Great episode! Loved the fact that a wraith device messed with everyone's heads, blurring the line of reality for each person! It stunk that so many people died on this episode. It seemed a little strange that the guy with the life threatening injury died and the guy who people ignored died blink.gif The fact that it was able to mess with everyone but Teyla was interesting, it could be the fact she has some Wraith DNA in her! ph34r.gif
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post Oct 28th 2006, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(startreksuite @ Oct 28th 2006, 6:54 AM) *

Great episode! Loved the fact that a wraith device messed with everyone's heads, blurring the line of reality for each person! It stunk that so many people died on this episode. It seemed a little strange that the guy with the life threatening injury died and the guy who people ignored died blink.gif The fact that it was able to mess with everyone but Teyla was interesting, it could be the fact she has some Wraith DNA in her! ph34r.gif


I think that's specifically why it didn't bother her.

I just wonder who the wraith were fighting where they thought they needed equipment like this...
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post Nov 4th 2006, 3:11 PM
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I think the Genii. Since (I used it!) they found them, early in the EP. But, I fail to see why they would need to use that. Unless, it was a test of Tech.
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post Nov 4th 2006, 4:45 PM
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QUOTE(Xen @ Nov 4th 2006, 3:11 PM) *

I think the Genii. Since (I used it!) they found them, early in the EP. But, I fail to see why they would need to use that. Unless, it was a test of Tech.

I agree, perhaps this was test equipment left over from a time before they had the ability to use it, because, they were using that trick in Rising weren't they?

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post Nov 5th 2006, 12:02 AM
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I don't recall that, but from what I can remember. In rising the Wraith were playing mind games with them. Showing them things that were not there. Yeah, I agree that it was from a time before they could use it.
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post Dec 13th 2006, 5:20 PM
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It was a pretty good episode but there was just too much going on. Ronon and McKay's "visions" were virtually abandonned and only thrown back in as a plot device.
I liked the way that McKay bullet wound miraculously moved from the left hand side of his chest, just after Sheppard shot him, to the left hand side of his abdomen as Beckett was bandaging him up. dry.gif
It seems to me that TPTB are purposely ignoring Ronon and Teyla for some reason. They refer to Teyla's Wraith DNA occasionally but they never do anything with it except have it as a plot device. The majority of the episode revolving around Sheppard is getting boring now. There's a whole city of people in the show, get rid of Sheppard for a while and include the supporting cast for a change.
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post Dec 14th 2006, 6:27 PM
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Another good Atlantis episode. Although, I don't know why Weir just didn't sent a puddle jumper through. They could have used the onboard DHD to dial the gate, instead of waiting around for the Deadalus.

I would have liked to have seen how Shepards Afghanastan mission ended.

Was Shepards Afghanastan hallucination, supposed to be the 'black mark' incident on his record? If so, its different than incident described in "Rising" and it hardly seems like enough for people like Landry, O'Neill and other officers to mistrust Shepard.
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