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> Ancient Ships, Against the Ori
Protoziggy90
post Sep 10th 2006, 6:00 PM
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QUOTE(fan_83 @ Sep 10th 2006, 5:51 PM) *

ori ships are made from tech based or derived from ancient tech... whether or not ancient weapon would penetrate teh shields depend on how advanced those ships are from an ancient perspective...

i would guess that the ships would not stand against teh drones


No thats incorrect. The Ori tech (non-ascended) is derived from the same base that Ancient non-ascended tech is because as we learn in Season 9, the Ori and the Ancients were the same race called the Alterrans. The Ori ships that are currently in our galaxy use tech that has been passed on by the ascended Ori to the people in the Ori galaxy. Therefore, Ori tech is not based on Ancient tech, especially the tech used in the Ori ships since that tech came from after the Ori/Ancient split, and its from the ascended plane.

The Ancient ships like the Orion are made using tech that was based on the same tech as that of the Ori before the point when either race had ascended. So, since the Ancient ships would have been very similar to the Ori ships, but the Ori ships also use tech from the ascended plane, chances are that regardless of how advanced the Ancient ships are, they would still lose to the Ori ships in a fight. Perhaps they would do more damage to the Ori than anyone else has been, but the difference wouldn't be great enough to change the victor.
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post Sep 10th 2006, 7:22 PM
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QUOTE(Protoziggy90 @ Sep 10th 2006, 6:00 PM) *

...The Ancient ships like the Orion are made using tech that was based on the same tech as that of the Ori before the point when either race had ascended...


We don't know if the Ori had ascended before the Ancient ships that we are referring to were made, and besides that, there were thousands if not millions of years since they split for the technology to take different paths.

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chances are that regardless of how advanced the Ancient ships are, they would still lose to the Ori ships in a fight. Perhaps they would do more damage to the Ori than anyone else has been, but the difference wouldn't be great enough to change the victor.

Well, for the Ancient tech to do any damage that would mean the drone pentrate the Ori shields, which is to say that they would do total damage, because of the nature of the drones.
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post Sep 11th 2006, 2:43 PM
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Of course ancient ships should be able to take out Ori if they fear being blown out of the sky by the Antacrtic superweapon.
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There is no evidence to say that. The Ori ships look more advanced that anything that the Ancients ever created. I would say that the Ori ships would give Ancient weapons a run for their money given that Ori ships are created by using the knowledge of ascended beings.
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post Sep 11th 2006, 6:34 PM
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QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Sep 11th 2006, 5:05 PM) *

There is no evidence to say that. The Ori ships look more advanced that anything that the Ancients ever created. I would say that the Ori ships would give Ancient weapons a run for their money given that Ori ships are created by using the knowledge of ascended beings.


Now see thats exactly what I've been saying but when I say it people say that I'm wrong, and argue against it with logic that doesn't actually make sense.
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It stands to reason that the Ori ships can withstand Ancient weapons.
The Ori ships are brand new, built with the knowledge of the ascended Ori. The last ships the Ancients built are at least 10,000 years old and they were built without any knowledge of ascended beings. Logically, the Ori ship would wipe the floor with any Ancient ship that confronted it.
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at the end of camalot does one of the ori ships loose its sheild i havnt seen season 10 but it did look like it
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QUOTE(MasterBetty @ Sep 12th 2006, 6:20 AM) *

at the end of camalot does one of the ori ships loose its sheild i havnt seen season 10 but it did look like it


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QUOTE(Protoziggy90 @ Sep 12th 2006, 9:22 PM) *

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Because that would have been a good thing.
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post Sep 13th 2006, 2:32 PM
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QUOTE(MasterBetty @ Sep 12th 2006, 6:57 AM) *

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post Sep 13th 2006, 2:40 PM
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It was stated by teal'c on the episode
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post Sep 13th 2006, 3:08 PM
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Yes but that was just a guess. You misquoted him (which is a punishable offense in most countries).

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I don't think the ancient weapons would do much or any damage to the ori ships.
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post Sep 16th 2006, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE(deadulus101 @ Sep 16th 2006, 7:38 PM) *

I don't think the ancient weapons would do much or any damage to the ori ships.
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You are misunderstanding what that weapon does.

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I am sorry to interrupt the conversational flow but I would like the chance to pose a question.

Would Anubis Ship the one with the entire eye’s of the gods be of use against the Ori ship? We had seen that one blast from the Ori ship could completely destroy any other ship but one shot from Anubis flagship did the same. If so could we salvage any of the pieces of said the flagship and reverse manufacture a copy? That also must mean that the eye’s are still operational and or in existence.

I have been just wondering this for sometime now and would like input for others. Thanks in advance.
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Sorry to say this, Nefertiti, but I doubt there is a chance of that ever happening. There is no way to rebuild a copy of the ship, more importantly, there is no way to find the eyes after the ship was destroyed. The writers got rid of that in the destructo-way, so that we could never have that advantage.
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QUOTE(KillerMarv @ Dec 29th 2006, 8:22 AM) *

Sorry to say this, Nefertiti, but I doubt there is a chance of that ever happening. There is no way to rebuild a copy of the ship, more importantly, there is no way to find the eyes after the ship was destroyed. The writers got rid of that in the destructo-way, so that we could never have that advantage.



Understandable but would you think it could hold its on against an Ori Ship?
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QUOTE(Nefertiti @ Dec 29th 2006, 3:41 PM) *
Understandable but would you think it could hold its on against an Ori Ship?
Possibly but who knows. We know that the six Eyes were an Ancient power source but we don't know if the weapon on Anubis' ship was Goa'uld or Ancient in origin. We saw that the weapon could wipe out around a dozen Ha'taks with ease but Ori ships are much larger and have more advanced shields. Anything we saw is speculative at best but I'd say that it could damage their shields but may not be enough to actually damage or destroy the ship itself.
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QUOTE(Nefertiti @ Dec 29th 2006, 5:41 PM) *

Understandable but would you think it could hold its on against an Ori Ship?


This is speculation, so...

I don't really think that the weapon would do any damage to the Ori shields either, but that is just me. Without that damage, all the ship could do is just wait to see how long it would take the Ori Warship to wipe it out. 1.gif

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Also, remmeber that our Asgurad shields can stand up to at least one blast from the Ori ships. If we have a better power source... I'm sure that we could take more hits.



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QUOTE(Nefertiti @ Dec 29th 2006, 3:41 PM) *

Understandable but would you think it could hold its on against an Ori Ship?

We've only seen Anubis' mothership weapon destroy Hataks with just the standard Goa'uld shields. We don't know what, if any effect, the weapon has on Asgard shields or even Daedalus class shields.

We've seen the Ori shields withstand weapons fire from an O'Neill class Asgard ship and they possibly destroyed the O'Neill class ship.

I would consider the Asgard ship to be stronger than Anubis' mothership, so I don't think Anubis' ship would not have much of a chance against an Ori ship.
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QUOTE(KillerMarv @ Dec 29th 2006, 10:43 AM) *


This is speculation, so...

I don't really think that the weapon would do any damage to the Ori shields either, but that is just me. Without that damage, all the ship could do is just wait to see how long it would take the Ori Warship to wipe it out. 1.gif


I would guess the same thing Marv, the Ori shielding is amazing. Just look at the small and basic satellite weapon that was made. It took a blast, and then killed on of our ships, and that was just a tiny satellite!

In fact, since it seems the Ori don't mind cheating, they are probably using ascended knowledge to build these things. I can't see Ancient weapons even being effective against it!
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I don't know about them using ascended knowledge for their ships. Wouldn't the Ancients interfere if ships built with ascended knowledge would enter in our galaxy? They can cheat in their own galaxy, but the Ancients would allow them to cheat here as well? Of course, there is Adria, but she is still human, I guess they walk a fine line with her, and they probably could interfere if she decides to use ascended knowledge.

I know they didn't allow Anubis to use ascended knowledge in this galaxy, I'm only asuming that it would be only fair to not let the Ori use them as well...
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