Alteran handguns, Where are they ?? Options

[Maximusgeneral1]

There is still hope for alteran handguns I mean they are in atlantis they should be hundreds of them laying around and if there arn't any in atlantis maybe we will find them later on in this season or the seasons to come in some outpost. I mean sg-1 had gould guns why can't atlantis have alteran guns instead of the wraith ones or both. But hopefully there is still hope.

How do you know they are in Atlantis? I don't recall that ever being said or even discussed on the show.

[deadulus101]

How do you know they are in Atlantis? I don't recall that ever being said or even discussed on the show.

no i meant the Earth team is in atlantis not the guns. the guns could or could not be in atlantis. I was saying if they(the guns)are not in atlantis maybe we will find them in an atlantian outpost or something later on.

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[Maximusgeneral1]

Oh. Well thank you for clearing that up and yes I would agree with you that if they are not in Atlantis then they may be in an outpost.

[Lancelot]

Oh. Well thank you for clearing that up and yes I would agree with you that if they are not in Atlantis then they may be in an outpost.

why would'nt they be on atlantis i mean think about it do we set up any sort of military or even scientific
base without some sort of weaponary to hand i mean most bases or labs have at least security personel
with weapons so surely there is some sort of armory on atlantis

[Dafmeister]

surely there is some sort of armory on atlantis

Maybe but there is nothing to say that there is anything left there.

[Maximusgeneral1]

Considering that Atlantis is still not completely explored there is no telling what could be there.

[sg1phantom]

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In 304 we see the the Asurans having handguns of some sort.

[Dafmeister]

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Yes but the Asurans are not the Ancients and they do not inhabit Atlantis, so the fact they have hand weapons doesn't affect whether there are any found in Atlantis.

[sg1phantom]

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Yes but the Asurans are not the Ancients and they do not inhabit Atlantis, so the fact they have hand weapons doesn't affect whether there are any found in Atlantis.

As Kvasir once said, "that is where you're mistaken."

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I would think that, like the Replicators, the Asurans would try to imitate their creators, the Ancients. They do seem to imitate many of the Ancients design, and with recent developments they DO inhabit Atlantis.

[Dafmeister]

As Kvasir once said, "that is where you're mistaken."

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I would think that, like the Replicators, the Asurans would try to imitate their creators, the Ancients. They do seem to imitate many of the Ancients design, and with recent developments they DO inhabit Atlantis.

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Like I said, the Asurans are not the Ancients. Imitating the Ancients does not make them the same as the Ancients.
The Asurans did not originally inhabit Atlantis and they will not inhabit it for much longer so, in fact, I was not mistaken.

[lancelot2]

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Like I said, the Asurans are not the Ancients. Imitating the Ancients does not make them the same as the Ancients.
The Asurans did not originally inhabit Atlantis and they will not inhabit it for much longer so, in fact, I was not mistaken.

it seems to me if the asurans imitate the ancients they would also imitate ancient hand held weapons
(with maybe a few improvements).so I agree with sg1phantom.I doubt the ancients took all hand held weapons out of atlantis,so it seems to me that they would be in the city perhaps inside a secure room
which you need a security code to enter (which our people wouldn't have)and that is why we haven't got our hands on them yet.perhaps we could cut them out with a cutting torch?

[KillerMarv]

it seems to me if the asurans imitate the ancients they would also imitate ancient hand held weapons
(with maybe a few improvements).so I agree with sg1phantom.I doubt the ancients took all hand held weapons out of atlantis,so it seems to me that they would be in the city perhaps inside a secure room
which you need a security code to enter (which our people wouldn't have)and that is why we haven't got our hands on them yet.perhaps we could cut them out with a cutting torch?

Be sure that the Atlantis team would have cut the door with a cutting torch if that would have been possible, or if such a room existed somewhere and there would have been specific information pointing to it.

[JTMAG1]

The Ancients didn't use security codes that often, because of the whole gene thing. I'm thinking any door could be controlled by the person controlling the rest of the city from the chair.

[BigusDickus]

Too be fair, why would the ancients keep all their weapons hidden on the outter reaches of atlantis when they are more than likely needed near the gate room. So therefore they are never going to find any handguns.

[KillerMarv]

Too be fair, why would the ancients keep all their weapons hidden on the outter reaches of atlantis when they are more than likely needed near the gate room. So therefore they are never going to find any handguns.

Well, because the Ancients have a very precise and easy-to-use transportation system. People would arm themselves from the armory coming from all over the city, and then use the same transportation to get to the gate room.

So therefore, we don't know if they're ever going to find any handguns.

[lancelot2]

Too be fair, why would the ancients keep all their weapons hidden on the outter reaches of atlantis when they are more than likely needed near the gate room. So therefore they are never going to find any handguns.

thats a rather ridiculus thing too say it's a bit like saying because i've never seen an alien it means that they don't exist.atlantis is a big place and hand held weapons could be anywhere i'd also expect there to be a few ancient personal sheilds there too.one thing though is i'd expect any ancient weapon to require the gene to operate (a way to make it so that they don't get to prolific in the show maybe have one for john and a few other people/or perhaps rodney could have it as he can't really use earth weaponary that well)

[BigusDickus]

Ok so why havent they used the very precise and easy-to-use transportation system and transported to the area where the guns are kept? Oh wait cos the only places they can transport to they have already been to. So yea i doubt they will find any weapons.

thats a rather ridiculus thing too say it's a bit like saying because i've never seen an alien it means that they don't exist.atlantis is a big place and hand held weapons could be anywhere i'd also expect there to be a few ancient personal sheilds there too.one thing though is i'd expect any ancient weapon to require the gene to operate (a way to make it so that they don't get to prolific in the show maybe have one for john and a few other people/or perhaps rodney could have it as he can't really use earth weaponary that well)

Well im sorry but i cant see how what i said is anything like your comparison. Im not denying that the weapons exist or that they were not there at one point. I just dont see why they would keep all their hi-tec weapons on the very out skirts of the city where there are no transporters and no where near the gate room.

[KillerMarv]

Ok so why havent they used the very precise and easy-to-use transportation system and transported to the area where the guns are kept?

Because they wouldn't know where the guns were kept. They may have passed by that certain place without even knowing, or it may be located in an area of the city they haven't explored yet. They haven't thoroughly explored the entire city yet. Whether or not there are weapons in Atlantis is up to the writers. They can introduce them in a moment when they're not too convenient, or write them out with a nice "The Ancients took all the weapons with them when they left for Earth".

[JTMAG1]

Because they wouldn't know where the guns were kept. They may have passed by that certain place without even knowing, or it may be located in an area of the city they haven't explored yet. They haven't thoroughly explored the entire city yet. Whether or not there are weapons in Atlantis is up to the writers. They can introduce them in a moment when they're not too convenient, or write them out with a nice "The Ancients took all the weapons with them when they left for Earth".

Yes, maybe they're in the gateroom, underground in one of those little panels that we saw during The Return part 1. Perhaps Sheppard will be trapped in front of the gate, and think "I really need a weapon" and all of the sudden, the panels rise up and there you go.

[KillerMarv]

Yes, that's it... Atlantis must have a basement somewhere, where they kept all their old stuff garbage technology, or maybe they just vaporize what they don't use anymore.

[JTMAG1]

Yes, that's it... Atlantis must have a basement somewhere, where they kept all their old stuff garbage technology, or maybe they just vaporize what they don't use anymore.

Yeah, exactly. I think we all remember Mckay's "How come I don't know about that..."

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Think of a cabinet that you keep in the ground...

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[lancelot2]

Yeah, exactly. I think we all remember Mckay's "How come I don't know about that..."

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Think of a cabinet that you keep in the ground...

good point jtmag1 thats probably why we haven't seen the weapons yet they probably are in the actual gateroom in a panel similar to the one you've just shown us(I had forgotten about that panel)

[Abaddonian]

Such a simple thing as weapons, which are required by any being to survive in the long term, would be marked on the city map. The secret panel was secret, as it was intended to be used by the Lanteans should they ever find the city being controlled by a primitive, bipedal race that spends most of its time figuring out how to waste time.

Weapons would be marked on a map, in big red glyphs; WEAPONS! You don't hide the things that are necessary for long-term survival, do you? Do you hide life-support, shields and power systems? No! Weapons are just as important for surviving in a hostile environment.

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