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[Jonathan O'neill]

well they usually do but im not very good at it, i'll try better the next time.

[Dafmeister]

The SG teams do not aim their bullets, they simply just shoot all over them, And its not all over their body there
is a big metal armor some places there holes where there is chain mail. Which would be a good place to shoot,
but they dont,
they just shoot at their stomaches and so one...

Then surely that shows SG1 aim at the Jaffas' stomachs?

the SG teams in the start used MP5's but now they use P90's which shoots sharp ammo (don't know what they call it in England/USA im not english or from the usa.) and the standard P90 bullet would be able to penetrate their armor,

They use armour piercing rounds now. They pretty uch used tem from episode 2. We saw in 'Children of the Gods' that a Jaffa's armour could defend against standard rounds but after episode 1, Jaffa were easily killed (and P-90s weren't used until around season 4).

when jackson takes of the helmet of one of the Horus guards they understand that the person is not supernatural, but just like them with a ugly parasite inside of them.

In the movie, Ra's guards were Human. There were no Jaffa. The movie was written by different people and Stargate SG-1 was just based on the movie.

[Jonathan O'neill]

Jaffa/Human didn't ever see the diffrence in them

[JTMAG1]

Jaffa/Human didn't ever see the diffrence in them

From 'Children of the Gods', when Teal'c called one of them "HUMAN!" they establised that the Jaffa were not Human. They are very similar, but have some differences. For instance, Jaffa do not sleep...

[Jonathan O'neill]

Ah, ok never really seen the pilot more than once.

[Reyvin_Vinnex]

I don't think I ever saw the full pilot. If I'm not mistaken, it was originally broadcast as a two-hour episode. I only ever saw it on SciFi (now idiotically renamed SyFy by some five-year-old in a cubicle), but I've heard quotes from the pilot, such as Carter explaining that naquadah was an exotic variety of quartz, but I never saw those scenes. I'll see them when I get the re-vamp DVD.

[Abaddonian]

Jaffa are genetically engineered Humans. They do not need to sleep, have enhanced strength, birth defects such as poor eyesight are automatcally healed, they have enhanced healing abilities, they have the ability to Kel'No'Reem (partially hibernate) and they carry immature Goa'uld symbiotes in their guts. They also live for far longer (a one-hundred and thirty year old man was still able to fight effectively).

This post has been edited by Abaddonian: Nov 21st 2009, 12:41 AM

[KillerMarv]

Jaffa are genetically engineered Humans. They do not need to sleep, have enhanced strength, birth defects such as poor eyesight are automatcally healed, they have enhanced healing abilities, they have the ability to Kel'No'Reem (partially hibernate) and they carry immature Goa'uld symbiotes in their guts. They also live for far longer (a one-hundred and thirty year old man was still able to fight effectively).

No, I think that would be going too far. Jaffa are not genetically engineered humans, they are humans who had the misfortune to live on planets controlled by Goa'uld, and that use the human population as slaves, either making them Jaffa (by growing their symbionts inside them), or Goa'uld.

All the enhancements their body have are due to the Goa'uld symbiont's amazing protective properties.

Welcome to the forums. Enjoy your stay here, and remember to question everything.

This post has been edited by KillerMarv: Nov 21st 2009, 2:56 PM

[Shylodog]

No, I think that would be going too far. Jaffa are not genetically engineered humans, they are humans who had the misfortune to live on planets controlled by Goa'uld, and that use the human population as slaves, either making them Jaffa (by growing their symbionts inside them), or Goa'uld.

All the enhancements their body have are due to the Goa'uld symbiont's amazing protective properties.

Welcome to the forums. Enjoy your stay here, and remember to question everything.

Actually, Marv, they did state in the series that the Jaffa were designed to be incubators. I know, give ya the episode, yadda yadda... I'm feeling a bit lazy today, but they have continually alluded to the fact that Jaffa were changed from their human ancestry a long time ago. So, it could be said they were genetically engineered. They are different than just human, simply because if they are not implanted by a certain age, they will die.

[JTMAG1]

Actually, Marv, they did state in the series that the Jaffa were designed to be incubators. I know, give ya the episode, yadda yadda... I'm feeling a bit lazy today, but they have continually alluded to the fact that Jaffa were changed from their human ancestry a long time ago. So, it could be said they were genetically engineered. They are different than just human, simply because if they are not implanted by a certain age, they will die.

That not implanted by a certain age is untrue. The Jaffa don't need to be implanted, Tealc's son needed to be implanted because he happened to be terminally ill.

Jack was turned into a Jaffa with a machine that the queen chick (whose name I can't remember) wore around her stomach. Just a regular human, with a symbiote pouch.

[Dave312]

That not implanted by a certain age is untrue. The Jaffa don't need to be implanted, Tealc's son needed to be implanted because he happened to be terminally ill.

Jack was turned into a Jaffa with a machine that the queen chick (whose name I can't remember) wore around her stomach. Just a regular human, with a symbiote pouch.

Well from that episode you are correct, however if you look at the episode season 7, Birthright, those female Jaffa were required to have one implanted or they would die, regardless of whether they were terminally ill.

The chick you are thinking of is Hathor.

[KillerMarv]

Yes, a few Jaffa populations had their DNA modified because some Goa'uld who liked to experiment a lot thought about it so they can be kept in line, but it is still a bit far from generalization. The majority of Jaffa population were kept in line through fear and conviction.

[IndyJan]

Killer and JT are correct. Rya'c, Teal'c's son had reached the age for implantation, but Teal'c wanted to stop it. He didn't want his son to be a slave to the Goa'uld. SG1 went through to secure a symbiote, but Rya'c needed one because he became ill. When one wasn't available, Teal'c gave his symbiote to his son to save his life. Daniel and Sam had found one, but it was very young, and they were not sure it would survive in Teal'c and heal him, but, of course, it did.

Nerritti was the very worst Goa'uld that liked to experiment on human hosts to find the best one. She experimented on Cassandra's planet and everyone died. Later on she experimented on a planet, during season 6, with Jonas, and she was impressed with his physicality.

As far as the female Jaffa, according to the episode, it becae necessary when a female entered puberty, changed. I'm assuming it had something to do with them finally being able to have children.

[Dave312]

As far as the female Jaffa, according to the episode, it becae necessary when a female entered puberty, changed. I'm assuming it had something to do with them finally being able to have children.

I believe Rya'c was also entering puberty when he had his implanted. I think the general idea was that all Jaffa were required to have one implanted when entering puberty or else they would die. For Rya'c though, Teal'c wanted to try and stop it but because he was sick anyway, he didn't have a choice. I was under the impression that if Rya'c was not sick and they did not implant him, he would have died anyway.

[IndyJan]

I believe Rya'c was also entering puberty when he had his implanted. I think the general idea was that all Jaffa were required to have one implanted when entering puberty or else they would die. For Rya'c though, Teal'c wanted to try and stop it but because he was sick anyway, he didn't have a choice. I was under the impression that if Rya'c was not sick and they did not implant him, he would have died anyway.

I don't think so. Teal'c's wife wanted the implantation because of how they had been treated. She felt it would have protected Rya'c and given him some standing because of his Shol'va father.

[Dave312]

I don't think so. Teal'c's wife wanted the implantation because of how they had been treated. She felt it would have protected Rya'c and given him some standing because of his Shol'va father.

Sounds like we will just have to agree to disagree

[IndyJan]

Sounds like we will just have to agree to disagree

That works for me.

[JTMAG1]

Sounds like we will just have to agree to disagree

Agree to disagree is something you do when no one is clearly correct...

[Dafmeister]

I believe Rya'c was also entering puberty when he had his implanted. I think the general idea was that all Jaffa were required to have one implanted when entering puberty or else they would die. For Rya'c though, Teal'c wanted to try and stop it but because he was sick anyway, he didn't have a choice. I was under the impression that if Rya'c was not sick and they did not implant him, he would have died anyway.

Teal'c did not know that Ry'ac was ill before he arrived on Chulak. O'Neill saw that he had yellow fever and tried to help him. They tried to get him back to Earth but didnt have time and so Teal'c had to give Ry'ac his symbiote. Ry'ac would have died if he did not have Teal'c's symbiote but would not have if he wasnt ill, shown but Teal'c apologising to Ry'ac.

[Shylodog]

Teal'c did not know that Ry'ac was ill before he arrived on Chulak. O'Neill saw that he had yellow fever and tried to help him. They tried to get him back to Earth but didnt have time and so Teal'c had to give Ry'ac his symbiote. Ry'ac would have died if he did not have Teal'c's symbiote but would not have if he wasnt ill, shown but Teal'c apologising to Ry'ac.

Ok, but again, when we are introduced to the female Jaffa, they specifically state they will die unless a symbiote is procured. While what you are saying may have been the intent of TPTB in regards to Ry'ac, they changed the canon to suit the storylne with with female Jaffa. From that point on, it is ok to assume that the Jaffa are genetically engineered, just as it is ok not to (based upon the information in the same season that three zat strikes disintegrates objects).

And in this case, I would agree that the waters are muddy enough that folks can agree to disagree.

[JTMAG1]

Ok, but again, when we are introduced to the female Jaffa, they specifically state they will die unless a symbiote is procured. While what you are saying may have been the intent of TPTB in regards to Ry'ac, they changed the canon to suit the storylne with with female Jaffa. From that point on, it is ok to assume that the Jaffa are genetically engineered, just as it is ok not to (based upon the information in the same season that three zat strikes disintegrates objects).

And in this case, I would agree that the waters are muddy enough that folks can agree to disagree.

Carter specifically says, "these children have been genetically altered to depend on symbiotes and then had all access to them taken away..." This was after she also learned that 30 years ago, their Goa'uld decreed that only male children could be allowed to live. He then put in laws to make sure that female Jaffa were killed. Its also said in that episode that the Jaffa are brainwashed to to believe that they will be weaker if they give up their symbiotes.

I think you're mis-applying the specifics of their individual situation to all Jaffa accross the board.

[Dave312]

Carter specifically says, "these children have been genetically altered to depend on symbiotes and then had all access to them taken away..."

I took "these children" as being Jaffa in general.

Its also said in that episode that the Jaffa are brainwashed to to believe that they will be weaker if they give up their symbiotes.

Giving up your symbiote after already being implanted is different. We know the symbiote replaces their Immune System and hence if it is removed, they no longer have one.

I think you're mis-applying the specifics of their individual situation to all Jaffa accross the board.

That's where I disagree. It seems very odd that a Goa'uld would genetically alter a group of Jaffa just to to go through and kill all the females at birth . It seems more likely that all the Jaffa were genetically altered require a symbiote when they reach puberty. It would increase all of the Jaffa's reliability on the Goa'uld. Otherwise what is to stop people refusing to have one implanted?

If you look at the Sodan, they stopped serving the Goa'uld a long time ago, yet they still carry symbiotes. It would seem likely that this is only because they are forced to or they will die.

[Shylodog]

Carter specifically says, "these children have been genetically altered to depend on symbiotes and then had all access to them taken away..." This was after she also learned that 30 years ago, their Goa'uld decreed that only male children could be allowed to live. He then put in laws to make sure that female Jaffa were killed. Its also said in that episode that the Jaffa are brainwashed to to believe that they will be weaker if they give up their symbiotes.

I think you're mis-applying the specifics of their individual situation to all Jaffa accross the board.

What I'm saying, is that while I may be mis-applying the specifics to you, there are more than enough fans out there that agree with my position to make my belief just as right as yours.

The episode with Ry'ac was confusing enough that even the writers jumped on board with the genetic manipulation idea. I'm not going to say ALL Jaffa are genetically engineered, but I don't think it's wrong to assume they are, either. It's something that has never been specifically laid out in canon, so it's completely open to interpretation and imagination.

[JTMAG1]

I took "these children" as being Jaffa in general.

I would think that 7 years into the whole stargate thing, they would know if all Jaffa were built that way. I think Carter pointed it our specifically because it was different.

Giving up your symbiote after already being implanted is different. We know the symbiote replaces their Immune System and hence if it is removed, they no longer have one.
If you Wok at the Sodan, they stopped serving the Goa'uld a long time ago, yet they still carry symbiotes. It would seem likely that this is only because they are forced to or they will die.

It's not giving up your symbiote in favory of death. It's giving it up in favor of dritonon (sp?) This wasn't an option of the Sodan, so of course they still carried symbiotes. Choosing to take a symbiote in the first place and giving it up after you've already decided to do so are two different scenarios.

But in that episode, that go over the fact that they believe that giving up a symbiote is giving up a certain level of power. A fact that comes up a few times in the show and Teal'c debunks.