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ParasiteDealerAlphonse
post Jul 11th 2006, 12:38 PM
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Hi, in the episode cold lazarus teal'c and sam are talking about staff weapons and sam mentions apophiss staff weapon and in the movie Ra's jaffas staff weapon had more explosive power and the other ones dont. So does each Lord or "God" have there own version of a staff weapon?
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post Jul 11th 2006, 12:44 PM
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It is likely an inconsistancy between movie and series. The amount of damage they cause in the show is altered to fit in a storyline. We have seen a Staff Weapon kill a fully armoured Jaffa in one shot and yet, most members of SG-1 have been hit by one and survived.
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post Jul 11th 2006, 12:46 PM
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a simple yes or no would be good


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post Jul 11th 2006, 12:48 PM
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Rude much? He answered your question. unsure.gif
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post Jul 11th 2006, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(ParasiteDealerAlphonse @ Jul 11th 2006, 6:46 PM) *

a simple yes or no would be good

Don't be a smartass. dry.gif No-one can give a simple yes or no because TPTB have never compared the Staff Weapons seen in the show and in the movie.
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post Jul 11th 2006, 12:51 PM
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ok....thanks....jeez....

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post Jul 11th 2006, 12:55 PM
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"Easy Fella!"

He did answer the question best that anyone could of so be nice!
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post Jul 11th 2006, 4:59 PM
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Simple answer so you can understand:

It depends on the writer really or how it would fit into the storyline.

You should be nice, Daf was nice enough to answer your question.
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post Jul 12th 2006, 5:50 AM
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I'm sure if you've watched Stargate long enough, you'd realise there is never (usually!) a simple yes or no answer.
It must be understood that a lot of the details in the film are not Canon, such as Ra's jaffa having no pouch, Sha're having a different name, the Death Gliders being called Wudjatees (sp) etc. etc.
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post Jul 12th 2006, 11:11 PM
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Alphonse just as a rule of thumb don't consider anything from the movie as fact unless you see it in an actual episode. There are plenty of inconsistancies between the movie and series. It will just save you from searching for answers to questions that there arn't answers to.
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post Jul 16th 2006, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE(Alosel @ Jul 12th 2006, 12:50 AM) *


It must be understood that a lot of the details in the film are not Canon, such as Ra's jaffa having no pouch, Sha're having a different name, the Death Gliders being called Wudjatees (sp) etc. etc.



Ra's *Jaffa* in teh movie weren't suppose to be jaffa, they were humans yes? I read somewhere on wikipedia..i think..that says that the so called jaffa in Ra's personal guard were suppose to be humans not jaffa.
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post Jul 17th 2006, 3:31 AM
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QUOTE(ChronicShit @ Jul 17th 2006, 5:37 AM) *

Ra's *Jaffa* in teh movie weren't suppose to be jaffa, they were humans yes? I read somewhere on wikipedia..i think..that says that the so called jaffa in Ra's personal guard were suppose to be humans not jaffa.

They were. They were just Ra's Human personal guard. In subsequent movies (if they had been made) we would have seen the same with Humans named Hathor and Ptah. In th e movie, Ra was the only one of his race, all the other "Gods" were Humans.
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post Jul 17th 2006, 3:59 AM
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Exactly, there were no jaffa. Daniel siad he was the last of his kind after translating some ruins he found on Abydos.
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post Jul 17th 2006, 10:16 AM
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Ra's *Jaffa* in teh movie weren't suppose to be jaffa, they were humans yes? I read somewhere on wikipedia..i think..that says that the so called jaffa in Ra's personal guard were suppose to be humans not jaffa.
I believe that this was addressed in the pilot. Jack is brought by General Hammond to inspect the Jaffa that we're killed in Apophis' raid.
Actually heres the line I'm talking about,
O'Neill: "...There were no creatures like this on Abydos. Those people were human. From Earth. Ra brought 'em there thousands of years ago."
To split hairs you could say that Jack was talking about the people of Abydos and not Ra's guard but if you had a run in with a being that had a pouch in its belly wouldn't it be something that you'd remember? Especially if it almost killed you.
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post Jul 17th 2006, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(David_ofthe_Tar'e @ Jul 17th 2006, 4:16 PM) *

I believe that this was addressed in the pilot. Jack is brought by General Hammond to inspect the Jaffa that we're killed in Apophis' raid.
Actually heres the line I'm talking about,
O'Neill: "...There were no creatures like this on Abydos. Those people were human. From Earth. Ra brought 'em there thousands of years ago."
To split hairs you could say that Jack was talking about the people of Abydos and not Ra's guard but if you had a run in with a being that had a pouch in its belly wouldn't it be something that you'd remember? Especially if it almost killed you.


i've seen the film (which is good by the way biggrin.gif ) but isnt it then that they (SG-1 ect)
in the first ep is when they see and find out about jaffa having the laval form of the 'gods' inside the pouch?
(just to make a point smile.gif )
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post Jul 17th 2006, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(joeyann @ Jul 17th 2006, 4:29 PM) *
i've seen the film (which is good by the way biggrin.gif ) but isnt it then that they (SG-1 ect) in the first ep is when they see and find out about jaffa having the laval form of the 'gods' inside the pouch?
Yes, 'Children of the Gods' was the first time we saw the Goa'uld, in their larval form, and the Jaffa.
There is really no need for this discussion. Anubis, Horus and the rest of Ra's guards were not Jaffa, they were Human. The terms Jaffa and Goa'uld were coined in the show and as has been said many times, the series should not be considered a true continuation of the movie because of the huge plot holes between the two.
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post Jul 17th 2006, 12:18 PM
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A few things to point out here.
one: they were human in the movie because the writers didn?t think of this until the show came on because there was no reason to have it explained like that. the way they explained it in the series was that Ra was in fact not the only "God" it was written like that on abados because Ra never left the planet and when he did it was only for a short time and distance. if I recall properly they said he hasn?t been on the planet for hundreds of years but there?s the whole space time thing which is always explained differently every time.

as for the staff weapon being different for every army there?s a reason for that. Ra's staff weapons were powerful because they rarely had to use them where?s if you looked at the other system lords army?s they are constantly at war with each other therefore they see a lot more use then Ra's therefore they deplete faster and are less powerful. A new staff can pass through an opponent and into a second one, a newly used one can kill in one hit, a moderately used staff can kill but is more likely to seriously wound, a weak staff is likely to just wound the person, and a old weak one is less lethal the a zat gun.
Hope this clears things up for ya.
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QUOTE(Garret @ Jul 17th 2006, 6:18 PM) *

A few things to point out here.
one: they were human in the movie because the writers didn?t think of this until the show came on because there was no reason to have it explained like that.
The writers of the movie and the writers of the SG-1 are two different sets of people one group has nothing to do with the other. The writers of the movie were not involved with the series and visa versa.


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as for the staff weapon being different for every army there?s a reason for that. Ra's staff weapons were powerful because they rarely had to use them where?s if you looked at the other system lords army?s they are constantly at war with each other therefore they see a lot more use then Ra's therefore they deplete faster and are less powerful. A new staff can pass through an opponent and into a second one, a newly used one can kill in one hit, a moderately used staff can kill but is more likely to seriously wound, a weak staff is likely to just wound the person, and a old weak one is less lethal the a zat gun.
That makes no sense. Ra's armies would have used their weapons just as much because the Goa'uld were constantly warring with each other. Ra was the most powerful System Lord but that didn't ensure his safety. The other Goa'uld wanted what he had and would have fought wars against him.
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I'm aware that the writers were two different sets of people and they had to find away to explain it so that?s what they did, explain something that didn?t make sense.

And a correction on my part. your right they were at war with each other, however the guards on abados hardly ever saw battle that?s why their weapons specifically were more powerful then say the guards that were actually fighting in the war.
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Don't attempt to form links between what happened in the movie and what we've seen in the series. Like I said there are only a handful of things we can actually accept as fact in the series that exist from the movie.


Trying to compare differences in the power of staff weapons or why Ra had a different ship or why Ra didn't have Jaffa only serve to stir up speculation. You don't have the answers, neither do I or anyone else for that matter. Unless the writers actually come out and give direct answers for questions like these all you are doing is trying to appease yourself with an answer that you can believe, but that won't be based on any fact.

And while I'm on that Daf, how can Anubis be the personal guard of Ra when this is supposedly a period in which he remains banished? I'm betting inconsistency, care to tell me something different?

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QUOTE(David_ofthe_Tar'e @ Jul 17th 2006, 6:58 PM) *
And while I'm on that Daf, how can Anubis be the personal guard of Ra when this is supposedly a period in which he remains banished? I'm betting inconsistency, care to tell me something different?
Not exactly an inconsistancy just a plot hole. In the original plan for the movie, Ra was to be the only alien that achieved a God-like status. All the other "Gods" we see in the movie are Human and if the other movies had gone ahead we would have seen more e.g. Hathor and Ptah. The idea was that Ra is the most powerful of the Egyptian Gods and so all other Gods would have been subservient to him hence why Humans took the persona of Anubis and Horus.
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Easy enough to accept, It would have made for great storylines in the series if other goa'ulds from Egyption mythology were in service to Ra.

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The reason the Staff weapon kills Jaffa in one shot is indirectly explained (at least in my mind) by Dr Lee in the episode "Heros". He said that metal armor turns into the wearer's sort of "own personal microwave oven". They get HOT!!!

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QUOTE(Reyvin_Vinnex @ Jul 31st 2008, 7:48 PM) *

The reason the Staff weapon kills Jaffa in one shot is indirectly explained (at least in my mind) by Dr Lee in the episode "Heros". He said that metal armor turns into the wearer's sort of "own personal microwave oven". They get HOT!!!

He was talking about the kevlar vests worn by human military forces.
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