F-302 in real life Options

[SA-1]

Ok we have the F-302 in stargate, but could it be made in real life? and if yes why have we not made it yet. Some of the fighter planes that are around today need to have computers otherwise they would not be able to be flown by humans so we have that type of technology to control it. If we made them they would be far superior to the fighter planes we have today in manouvrability, so why not?

Sorry if this has been done before I did check and tried to put it in a topic about the 302's but it was closed.

[Dafmeister]

They do not have the tech to build it. A lot of the technology is taken from Goa'uld Death Gliders.

[SA-1]

Ok can you elaborate please what tech would we need that we do not already have on earth in real life thanks.

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[KillerMarv]

I assume you're referring most to it's design and it's handeling, because I don't think there is a chance in hell we can get some naquadria, or a Goa'uld hyperspace window generator to make it exactly like in Stargate

But as we speak, there is a competition called the "X prize" in which civilian teams compete to design space flight accesible units, that can go into space and land at an accesible rate to everyone.

Companies with great budgets can invest in this, and a commercial space jets will soon be constructed after the technology is mastered. From that, I'm sure there is not such a big dsistance to designing fighters that can do the same thing.

[Dafmeister]

Sam said that G-Forces are almost eliminated during flight, there is no technology that can cancel out the G-forces pilots feel. There must some sort of technology that supports the fighters' structural integrity during flight into orbit, either that or it is built from an alloy made from materials not available on Earth. The engines used to maneuver during space flight were taken from a Death Glider also.

[SA-1]

Sorry, yes marv I was talking about the handeling, design and mainly atmospheric flight.
So would the design of the 302 naturaly pull more G's than normal fighter jets?

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[Ares]

If they made an f-302, it would probably be one of the worst jets ever made. Since there is no such thing as a Goa'uld in life, there wouldn't be any of those upgrades available. About the only thing the jet would be good for is maybe target practice. The cockpit is of terrible design, eliminating it as a fighter. The lack of a tail wing would kill this thing on turns, which means any missle or fighter in the world can blow the sh*t outta this thing. We already have jets that are the best in the world...why waste money on one that would be a step back for us?

[tsot]

If they made an f-302, it would probably be one of the worst jets ever made. Since there is no such thing as a Goa'uld in life, there wouldn't be any of those upgrades available. About the only thing the jet would be good for is maybe target practice. The cockpit is of terrible design, eliminating it as a fighter. The lack of a tail wing would kill this thing on turns, which means any missle or fighter in the world can blow the sh*t outta this thing. We already have jets that are the best in the world...why waste money on one that would be a step back for us?

Yeah and its called the British tornado aka eurofighter, the worlds most maneuverable dog fighter capable of mach 2 (costs alot tho)

[Protoziggy90]

Actually the Israelis have a limited number of some sort of modified F-16 which supposedly can make a 180 degree turn in like 2 seconds at mach 2. Its supposed to be the most maneuverable in the world once it done. They actually plan on selling or sharing the technology with the US, but I don't remember what they get for it...

[jetsetter]

Yeah and its called the British tornado aka eurofighter, the worlds most maneuverable dog fighter capable of mach 2 (costs alot tho)

I wouldn't say the eurofighter is "the worlds most maneuverable dog fighter". The F-22A and the Su-37 are most likely more maneuverable and capable in a dog fighting situation(you must also remeber that in real combat dog fights are very rare). Both the F-22A and the Su-37 have thrust vectoring which greatly improves the maneuverablility.

[GoVols]

Actually the Israelis have a limited number of some sort of modified F-16 which supposedly can make a 180 degree turn in like 2 seconds at mach 2. Its supposed to be the most maneuverable in the world once it done. They actually plan on selling or sharing the technology with the US, but I don't remember what they get for it...

They have already gotten it, didnt the US give them the f-16? Also, the US will continue to protect them from Iran and other islamo-facists that are intent in Isrial's destruction.

[jetsetter]

They have already gotten it, didnt the US give them the f-16? Also, the US will continue to protect them from Iran and other islamo-facists that are intent in Isrial's destruction.

The Israeli fighter you speak of is called the Lavi and it was never put into production. Today the Israelis do have a fighter called the F-16I but it is much less modified than the Lavi was. Some technology from the Lavi was sold by the Israelis to the Chinese who then went on to produce the J-10 fighter.

[SA-1]

If they made an f-302, it would probably be one of the worst jets ever made. Since there is no such thing as a Goa'uld in life, there wouldn't be any of those upgrades available. About the only thing the jet would be good for is maybe target practice. The cockpit is of terrible design, eliminating it as a fighter. The lack of a tail wing would kill this thing on turns, which means any missle or fighter in the world can blow the sh*t outta this thing. We already have jets that are the best in the world...why waste money on one that would be a step back for us?

Ok so you must be an engineer or a physicist. But can you please tell me why the cockpit is of terrible design, and I said in a earlier post that it won't have goa'uld modifications ( Iknow the difference between scfi and reality) so I said that it would only be for atmospheric flight have regular weaponry and have radar etc. And what does the tail wing matter there are plenty of planes around with out tail wings and the 302 does have tail fin's the design is just a flying wing and have you ever seen the 302 fly I don't know if it is because the shows physics is a bit different to reality's, I'd be glad if you could clear up those points for me.

Thanks

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[Protoziggy90]

The Israeli fighter you speak of is called the Lavi and it was never put into production. Today the Israelis do have a fighter called the F-16I but it is much less modified than the Lavi was. Some technology from the Lavi was sold by the Israelis to the Chinese who then went on to produce the J-10 fighter.

Thats right, thank you.

Also, in regards to GoVols' question, the Israelies developed almost all the technology used in the F-16, and actually created the jet itself, but they didn't have the resources to build more than a few of them, so they actually gave the technology to the US for construction, in exchange for a certain number of the planes. The number was 250, which is the current number the Israelies are reported as having at the moment, which is also the largest number of them controlled by any country at this time, followed by the US.

[GoVols]

Thats right, thank you.

Also, in regards to GoVols' question, the Israelies developed almost all the technology used in the F-16, and actually created the jet itself, but they didn't have the resources to build more than a few of them, so they actually gave the technology to the US for construction, in exchange for a certain number of the planes. The number was 250, which is the current number the Israelies are reported as having at the moment, which is also the largest number of them controlled by any country at this time, followed by the US.

Wow Ziggy, i did not know that. I never really thought it looked like any of our other jets, with just a single enging and all.

[jetsetter]

Wow Ziggy, i did not know that. I never really thought it looked like any of our other jets, with just a single enging and all.

The F-16 is single engined, 30 years old, and the USAF operated thousands of them. How could you miss that one? And by the way, the design of the F-16 is not from the Israel in any way.

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F-16I Sufa (Storm)
The Israeli Air Force's (IAF) F-16I Sufa (Storm), a two seater, is the latest version of the Lockheed Martin F-16. Israel's Peace Marble V foreign military sales program will supply the Israel Air Force (IAF) with 102 two-seat aircraft and is the largest Israeli F-16 acquisition yet. The F-16I is specially designed for Israel, and has been named "Soufa," or "Storm" in Hebrew, by the IAF. The F-16I for Israel is based on current Block 50/52 production aircraft. The F-16I has a 23,600-kilogram [52,000 pound] take-off weight, considerably more than the earlier F-16s in IAF service, and is armed with the AMRAAM air-to-air missile.

The F-16I was developed on the basis of the F-16ES [Enhanced Strategic] single-seat and two-seat, long-range interdictor F-16 proposal. This configuraiton was developed in November 1993 in response to Israeli preference for the F-15I Eagle. The F-16ES featured additional fuel in one 1,136 liter (300 US gallon; 250 Imp gallon) centerline tank and two wing tanks, each 2,271 litre (600 US gallons; 500 Imp gallons), as well as two conformal tanks. The combat radius extended to in excess of 1,000 nautical miles (1,852 km; 1,151 miles). The F-16ES was not purchased at that time, but the conformal tanks were developed as retrofit option for existing F-16s.

The Israeli F-16I Soufa/Sufah (Storm/Thunderstorm), compliments Israel's deterrent strategy by further strengthening the potential threat to carry out retaliatory strikes throughout the Middle East. The extended flight range reportedly allows Israeli forces to attack targets well within Iran without having to refuel. Some offered the interpretation that the 'I' in the F-16I, stands for Iran [actually it stands for Israel]. The bumps over the wing on both sides of the plane are conformal fuel tanks. Use of conformal fuel tanks (CFTs) extends the F-16's effective mission range/loiter time up to 50 percent, depending on the mission profile. CFTs can be used for both air-to-ground and air-to-air missions. They can be easily removed. They also increase weapon payloads by freeing-up additional store stations. The baseline F-16 has a combat radius of 740 nm (1,370 km) with two 2,000-lb bombs and two AIM-9, with 1,040 US gal external tanks.

The Block 52/60 F-16 aircraft procured by Israel, Greece and the UAE have structural, plumbing, and wiring provisions for the Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFT). Attached to the upper surface of the F-16?s fuselage, the tank?s lower surface conform to the aircraft's shape. This arrangement allows the CFTs to be relatively light weight, since nothing is suspended from them. With an empty weight of 900 pounds, tank set holds 450 gallons (about 3,000 pounds) of additional JP-5/8 fuel. A CFT set carries 50 percent more fuel than the centerline external fuel tank, with only 12 percent of the drag. The CFT can dramatically increase the operational radius of the aircraft for long range missions. The aircraft can fly a long range strike mission with full weapon's load, and engage in air combat when external (370 Gal) fuel tanks have been dropped. The CFT, along with external 370 gallon jetissonable tanks or 600 gallon non-jetissonable external tanks are added with the CFT, provides the F-16 with a 60-70 percent increase in operational radius. At subsonic speeds the CFT have neglible effect on the aircraft agility, thought the drag increases in proportion to speed at supersonic speeds. The aircraft fitted with CFT retain nearly the full handling qualities, flight limits, and signature. The CFT set can be fitted or removed in less than two hours. The tanks are are built under the Peace Marble V program by IAI as a sole source to Lockheed Martin's specification.

Lockheed Martin began F-16 flight demonstration of an initial CFT shape in 1994 to investigate performance and handling quality characteristics. Subsequent wind tunnel testing led to the current external lines, which were initially validated in flight testing of high angle-of-attack handling characteristics at Edwards AFB, CA. Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company completed the first phase of flight testing of its new conformal fuel tanks (CFTs) for its F-16 multirole fighter in September 2001. Flight testing with aerodynamic shapes was conducted on an F-16C at Eglin Air Force Base, FL, from March through August. A total of 24 test flights and 65 flight test hours were accomplished, and testing involved loads, flutter, and stability and control.

There are conflicting reports concerning the F-16I combat radius, but the most reliable source reports a combat radius of 2,100 km, on par with the F-15I. The Israeli military would not disclose the exact range of the jet, but one senior air force officer said, "it can reach the capitals of all the countries in the region." One report says that "it has an 820 km non-refueling radius of operation, sufficient to reach both Libya and Iran" -- but a glance at a map reveals that 820 kilometers from Israel is short of Baghdad, and far short of the 1,500 kilometers need to reach Tehran. One report suggest that the F-16I has an unrefueled combat strike radius of 1,640 kilometers without refueling. Another report relates that the external fuel capacity in conformal fuel tanks increases the aircraft range to 800 miles (1,500 km). One published reports states that the external fuel tanks above the central fuselage, extend the range of the jet and the reach of the Israeli air force by 25 percent.

The cockpit of the F-16I has been expanded to provide for the addition of an onboard weapons officer situated behind the pilot. The independent system operator station provides increased effectiveness in night/adverse weather, high-threat and special system missions. This version also facilitates operational training. In addition to the new and more powerful Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 engine, the F-16I has numerous modifications. The engine will enable it to achieve a maximum take-off weight of 23,582kg.

The Sufa has been customized with new avionic technologies, internally mounted FLIR, forward looking infrared, viewers, and cutting edge weapon system hardware provided by the Israeli defense company Lahav - a division of Israel Aircraft Industries. The Lahav technology will allow for simultaneous, multi-target air-to-air engagement and increased standoff and survivability capabilities.

The F-16I has been earmarked to receive the new Python 5 imaging infrared-guided high agility air-to-air missile produced by Rafael, the former Israeli Armaments Development Authority. The predecessor to the Python 5, the Python 4, was regarded to be the most advanced heat-seeking missile in the world. The Python 5 boasts a new seeker less prone to countermeasures, lock-after-launch capabilities, and an extended operational engagement time once fired.

In addition, the Northrop Grumman AN/APG-68(V)9 multimode radar increases the distance of airborne engagement by 30 percent over the older APG-69 system and affords the "Sufa" with a high-resolution synthetic-aperture ground mapping capability.

On 19 July 1999 the government of Israel officially confirmed to Lockheed Martin that it will purchase 50 F-16I aircraft after a long and intense evaluation in competition with the Boeing F-15I. The total program including the aircraft, mission equipment and a support package is worth about $2.5 billion to various suppliers. The value to Lockheed Martin is about $1.8 billion. Lockheed Martin Aeronautics received a contract for 52 F-16 aircraft for Israel on Dec. 19, 2001, significantly extending the firm F-16 production base. The Foreign Military Sales (FMS) contract for Israel officially exercises the option for 52 additional F-16I aircraft under the Peace Marble V program. Israel had originally ordered 50 F-16Is in 2001 but increased the purchase to 102 after deciding against the procurement of additional F-15Is. The estimated $4.5 billion dollar F-16I deal, $45 million per aircraft, will be financed by the annual U.S. military aid package and concludes the largest ever Israeli military purchase.

The purchases will replace Israel's remaining stock of older Boeing F-15 Eagles in service since 1976, advanced multi-role Lockheed Martin F-16A/B series in service since 1980, multi-role F-4E Phantoms in service since 1969, and multi-role A-4 Skyhawks in service since 1967.

The first IDF/AF F-16I was officially handed over to the IDF/AF at Ft Worth, TX on 14 November 2003. On 23 December 2003 Lockheed Martin today completed a successful first flight of the F-16I, an Advanced Block 52 F-16 variant built for Israel. The F-16 flew for 55 minutes and landed safely at the Lockheed Martin facility. The initial flight assessed basic aircraft operation including flight controls, landing gear and environmental control, cockpit and basic avionics systems. Delivery of the first of 102 F-161 fighters, originally expected to occur in September 2003, was delayed until December 2003. There were development problems with the F-161, due to the fact that the aircraft is a new and unique configuration that included Israeli systems, such as electronic-warfare (EW) gear and displays, that were a challenge to integrate.

Three squadrons of the new aircraft are expected to be operational by 2008, with the first strike aircraft arriving in February 2004. It appears that deliveries are taking place at the rate of two aircraft per month, suggesting a force of about 20 aircraft by the end of 2004 and nearly 50 by late 2005. The first unit to operate the F-16I was the Negev Squadron, which was reformed at Ramon on July 27, 2003 to operate the Suefa. The next unit to reequip with the Suefa will be the Orange Tail Knights Squadron, also at Ramon, followed by the Bat Squadron. With the additional 102 new F-16Is, Israel will operate a total of 362 F-16s - the largest fleet of F-16s in the world outside of the United States Air Force.

Open sources provide no indication of whether Israel has plans or programs to backfit any earlier F-16 versions with features introduced on the F-16I, such as the conformal fuel tanks. However, as many of these elements are of Israeli origin, such backfits would not be overly difficult to accomplish. For instance, if Israel decided to substantially enlarge its long-range strike aviation force, this could be accomplished by local production of additional fuel tanks. At the end of 2004 open sources indicated that Israel's long range aviation assets consisted of 25 F-15Is, and about 20 F-16Is. A total of 209 other F-16s were also available for potential upgrades with CFTs. Since these tanks are manufactured by IAI, production of additional CFTs for upgrade could have been undertaken without notice by the outside world. If, for instance, Israel had determined in 2002 that the projected delivery rate of F-16Is would not provide adequate strike capabilities when needed, accelerated CFT production could have been undertaken to provide many dozens of CFT kits in the 2005 timeframe.



http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...srael/f-16i.htm

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[Protoziggy90]

Dude, I read my information directly out of a book... I then looked at another book to make sure it wasn't just Israeli arrogance by the author in the first book... Both had the same info... I'm going to have to hold the facts from the books over a random news article...

[jetsetter]

Dude, I read my information directly out of a book... I then looked at another book to make sure it wasn't just Israeli arrogance by the author in the first book... Both had the same info... I'm going to have to hold the facts from the books over a random news article...

Global Security is one of the most respected websites on defence issues relating to the US and the world. The F-16I is the Block 52/60 F-16 which was designed by Lockheed. Israel does install some of its own electronics in the F-16I but thats it. Also, the Block 52/60 F-16 is already in service with other airforces, before Israel. And if you still think I am incorrect I consulted several books and other sources.

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The F-16I Soufa ("Storm") is a modified variant of the F-16D Block 50 and 52 fighter and ground attack aircraft, with the avionics and weapons systems capability modified to meet the requirements of the Israeli Air Force. Israel ordered 50 F-16I aircraft in 2001 and signed the agreement for an optional additional 52 aircraft in September 2001. The Israeli Air Force has selected the F16I in a two-seat configuration only.

The production program, Peace Marble V, is the fifth acquisition of F-16s and will increase the number of Israeli Air Force F-16 aircraft to 362, giving the IAF the largest fleet of F-16 fighters apart from the USA.

The F16I Soufa made its maiden flight in December 2003. The first two aircraft were delivered to the IAF at the Ramon Air Base, in February 2004. Deliveries will be completed at a rate of about two per month over four years, with final delivery in 2008.

There is a significant level of airframe co-production and avionics component production in Israel for the Soufa and for other variants of the F-16. IAI and Cyclone Aviation Products Ltd in Carmiel manufacture the ventral fins, rudders, horizontal stabilisers and engine access doors. The aircraft are assembled at the Lockheed Martin Aeronautics facility in Fort Worth, Texas.

F-16I SOUFA FIGHTER DESIGN
The F-16I is fitted with a pair of removable conformal fuel tanks provided by IAI. The conformal fuel tanks (CFT), holding 450 US gallons of extra fuel, are mounted on both sides of the upper fuselage. The very low drag configuration CFTs have a very small effect on the aircraft's agility, handling quality and flight limits. The use of the conformal tanks increases the aircraft's mission range and combat endurance.

The fitting of conformal tanks makes the two wing inner store stations normally used for external tanks (stations 6 and 4, each rated at 4,500lb capacity) available for weapon carriage, doubling the aircraft's air-to-ground weapons capacity.

The F16I is fitted with a dorsal avionics compartment. The first version produced with the dorsal compartment was the Israeli two-seat Block 30 F-16D aircraft, produced in the late 1980s. The large dorsal compartment extends from the rear of the cockpit to the fin and houses additional avionics systems, chaff and flare dispensers and the aircraft's in-flight refuelling receptacle.

F-16I SOUFA FIGHTER COCKPIT
The front cockpit is for the pilot and the rear cockpit is configured for the weapons systems operator or, with the change of a single switch, for a pilot instructor.

The Elbit Dash IV Display and Sight Helmet System enables the pilot to aim the weapon by looking the target. Dash IV shortens the lock-on procedure time for engagements. The helmet measures the pilot's line of sight to the target so the sensors, avionics and weapons are slaved to the target. Dash IV improves situation awareness by helping the pilots to visually detect targets at high angles off the nose of the aircraft, providing critical information in any direction the pilot looks.

The Soufa is fitted with a wide angle head up display from Elop and high definition (120ppi) 4in x 4in colour multi-function displays supplied by Astronautics C.A of Petah Tikva, Israel. Other new features include a colour moving map display, digital video recording equipment, cockpit lighting and external strip lighting compatible with night vision goggles and a high capacity data transfer set.

F-16I SOUFA FIGHTER AVIONICS
The Soufa has an advanced avionics suite including general avionics computer, colour display processors and interfaces all produced by Elbit Systems.

The communications systems include a Rafael UHF/VHF radio and an HF radio, Elta satellite communications and an IAI integrated tactical video data link.

The navigation system includes a combined ring laser gyro inertial navigation system and global positioning system (RLGINS/GPS) and a digital terrain system. Rafael developed the algorithms for the digital terrain system.

F-16I SOUFA FIGHTER WEAPON SYSTEMS
Elbit is supplying the aircraft's central mission computer, the signal processing unit for the displays and the stores management systems. RADA Electronics Industries in Netanya, Israel, and Smiths Aerospace, USA, have developed the aircraft's data acquisition system with an advanced digital data server and data recording system. Israel Military Industries supplies most of the weapons pylons and racks and the external fuel tanks.

The mission data and video is downloaded to a ground debriefing station provided by RADA. The system has potential for three-dimensional, multi-aircraft mission creation.

The Rafael Litening II targeting and navigation pod is equipped with a third generation forward looking infrared (FLIR), charge-coupled device (CCD) television, laser spot tracker and rangefinder and infrared marker. The system enables the pilot to detect, identify, acquire and track ground targets for the delivery of conventional and precision guided weapons, such as laser guided or GPS guided bombs.

The aircraft is also equipped with the Lockheed Martin LANTIRN navigation pod which provides night navigation and all-weather automatic terrain following.

F-16I SOUFA FIGHTER AIR-TO-AIR MISSILES
The air-to-air missiles will be the short range Python 4 and Python 5 and the short range to beyond visual range radar-guided Derby, both supplied by Rafael.

The all-weather Derby has an active radar seeker, look down / shoot down capability, lock on before or after launch, and programmable electronic counter countermeasures (ECCM). The lock on before launch mode is deployed for tight dogfights.

The F16I will be equipped with the Rafael Python 5 air-to-air missile when development has been completed. The Python 5 is capable of lock on after launch and uses imaging infrared guidance. The new seeker uses a dual wavelength focal plane array and is equipped with robust infrared counter countermeasures capability.

F-16I SOUFA FIGHTER AIR-TO-GROUND SYSTEMS
The air-to-surface weapons are carried on the two pairs of inboard underwing stations and include anti-ship missiles, anti-radiation missiles, laser guided bombs, GPS guided bombs and Israeli Military Industries (IMI) runway attack munitions. The F-16 aircraft has been used in carriage trials of IMI's STAR-1 anti-radiation weapon which is in the development phase.

F-16I SOUFA FIGHTER COUNTERMEASURES
The electronic warfare suite, being supplied by Elisra, includes radar warning receivers, missile approach warners and jamming systems, including the Elisra SPS 3000 self-protection jammer which is installed in the large spine. The chaff and flare dispenser is supplied by Rokar.

F-16I SOUFA FIGHTER RADAR
The aircraft has the Northrop Grumman AN/APG-68(V)9 multi-mode radar, which has five times the processing speed and ten times the memory capacity of the previous APG-68 radars on the F-16. Elta is involved in the co-production of the radar.

The modes of operation include high resolution synthetic aperture (SAR) ground mapping and terrain following. The radar provides autonomous, all-weather, stand-off precision weapon delivery. Air-to-air modes include range while search, air combat mode, multiple target track while scan, cluster resolution, single target tracking and target illumination pulse Doppler tracking. The radar increases the air-to-air detection range by 30% compared to earlier generation systems.

F-16I SOUFA FIGHTER ENGINES
The Soufa is powered by the Pratt and Whitney F100-PW-229 Increased Performance Engine (IPE). This new, more powerful engine allows the aircraft a maximum take-off weight of 23,582kg. The aircraft is also fitted with heavyweight landing gear.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f-16i/

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[SA-1]

I wouldn't say the eurofighter is "the worlds most maneuverable dog fighter". The F-22A and the Su-37 are most likely more maneuverable and capable in a dog fighting situation(you must also remeber that in real combat dog fights are very rare). Both the F-22A and the Su-37 have thrust vectoring which greatly improves the maneuverablility.

Actually the Typhoon Eurofighter is the most manouvarble plane and dog fighter made today

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Eurofighter Typhoon Multi-Role Combat Fighter, Europe

The four-nation Eurofighter Typhoon is a foreplane delta-wing, beyond-visual-range, close air fighter aircraft with surface attack capability. Eurofighter has 'supercruise' capability: it can fly at sustained speeds of over Mach 1 without the use of afterburner.
Eurofighter is a single-seat, twin-engine, agile combat aircraft which will be used in the air-to-air, air-to-ground and tactical reconnaissance roles. The design of Eurofighter Typhoon is optimised for air dominance performance with high instantaneous and sustained turn rates, and specific excess power. Special emphasis has been placed on low wing loading, high thrust to weight ratio, excellent all round vision and carefree handling. The use of Stealth technology is incorporated throughout the aircraft?s basic design.



DESIGN

The aircraft is constructed of carbon fire composites, glass-reinforced plastic, aluminium lithium, titanium and aluminium casting. Stealth technology features includelow frontal radar cross-section, passive sensors and supercruise ability.

The foreplane/delta configuration is intentionally aerodynamically unstable which provides a high level of agility (particularly at supersonic speeds), low drag and enhanced lift. The pilot controls the aircraft through a computerised digital fly-by-wire system which provides artificial stabilisation and gust elevation to give good control characteristics throughout the flight envelope.

COCKPIT

The pilot's control system is a voice-throttle-and-stick system (VTAS). The stick and throttle tops house 24 fingertip controls for sensor and weapon control, defence aids management, and inflight handling. The direct voice input allows the pilot to carry out mode selection and data entry procedures using voice command.

The quadruplex fly-by-wire flight control system has an Automatic Low Speed Recovery System (ALSR) which provides the pilot with visual and audio low speed warning and will, if necessary, automatically take control of the aircraft and return to safe flight.

The BAE Systems Striker Helmet Mounted Symbology System (HMS) and Head Up Display show the flight reference data, weapon aiming and cueing, and the FLIR imagery. BAE Systems TERPROM ground proximity warning system is being fitted. The cockpit has three multi-function colour head down displays (MHDD) which show the tactical situation, systems status and EADS digital map displays. An international consortium EuroMIDS, which includes Data Link Solutions of the US, supplies the MIDS Low Volume Terminal provides Link 16 capability for secure transfer of data.

Raytheon Systems Ltd is supplying anti-jam global positioning systems (GPS) for Tranche 2.

WEAPONS

The internally-mounted Mauser BK27mm gun is a revolver gun system with a linkless-closed ammunition feed system. The EurofighterTyphoon has 13 hard points for weapon carriage, four under each wing and five under the fuselage. An Armament Control System (ACS) manages weapons selection and firing and monitors weapon status.

Depending on role, the fighter can carry the following mix of missiles: air-superiority - six BVRAAM (Beyond Visual Range)/AMRAAM air-to-air missiles on semi-recessed fuselage stations and two ASRAAM short-range air-to-air missiles on the outer pylons; air interdiction - four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, two cruise missiles and two anti-radar missiles (ARM); SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defences) - four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, six anti-radar missiles; multi-role - three AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, two ARM and two GBU-24 Paveway III/IV; close air support - four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, 18 Brimstone anti-armour missiles; maritime attack - four AMRAAM, two ASRAAM, six anti-ship missiles.

The UK RAF has selected MBDA Meteor for the BVRAAM requirement and Raytheon AMRAAM until Meteor enters service. Meteor uses a new air-breathing ramjet motor for increased range and manoeuvrability. AMRAAM will be fitted from 2002 and Meteor around 2010.

German, Italian and Spanish Eurofighters will carry the imaging infrared IRIS-T air-to-air missile being developed by Diehl BGT Defence of Germany. Deliveries began in December 2005. German and Spanish aircraft will also be armed with the Taurus KEPD 350 standoff missile from EADS/LFK and Saab Bofors Dynamics, which has a range over 350km.

UK RAF Eurofighters will carry the MBDA Storm Shadow / Scalp EG stand-off cruise missile, which entered operational service on Tornado aircraft in March 2003, and the MBDA Brimstone anti-armour missile, which entered service with Initial Operational Capability (IOC) on the RAF Tornado GR.Mk4 aircraft in March 2005. Italian aircraft will also be armed with Storm Shadow.

COUNTERMEASURES

The aircraft's defensive aids sub-system (DASS) is accommodated within the aircraft structure and integrated with the avionics system. DASS has been developed by the EuroDASS consortium - Selex Sensors and Airborne Systems (formerly BAE Systems Avionics) of the UK (prime contractor), Elettronica of Italy and Indra of Spain. The consortium was rejoined in October 2001 by EADS, after the German Federal Ministry of Defence contracted to re-enter the programmme. DASS provides an all-round prioritised assessment of threats with fully automatic response to single or multiple threats. DASS includes an electronic countermeasures/support measures system (ECM/ESM), front and rear missile approach warners, supersonically capable towed decoy systems, laser warning receivers and SaabTech Electronics BOL chaff and flare dispensing system. The avionics system is based on a NATO standard databus with fibre optic highways.

SENSORS

The aircraft is equipped with a CAPTOR (ECR 90) multi-mode X-band pulse Doppler radar, developed by the Euroradar consortium. The multi-mode radar has three processing channels. The third channel is used for jammer classification, interference blanking and sidelobe nulling. Euroradar is led by Selex Sensors and Airborne Systems, with Indra of Spain, FIAR of Italy and EADS Defence Electronics of Germany.

The PIRATE (Passive Infra-Red Airborne Track Equipment) is mounted on the port side of the fuselage, forward of the windscreen. PIRATE has been developed by the EUROFIRST consortium which comprises Galileo Avionica (FIAR) of Italy (lead contractor), Thales Optronics of the UK (system technical authority) and Tecnobit of Spain. PIRATE operates in both 3-5 and 8-11 micron spectral bands. When used with the radar in an air-to-air role, it functions as an Infrared Search and Track system (IRST), providing passive target detection and tracking. In an air-to-surface role, it performs multiple target acquisition and identification, as well as providing a navigation and landing aid. PIRATE provides a steerable image to the pilot's helmet-mounted display.

In September 2005, Ultra Electronics was contracted to supply the Rafael Litening EF laser targeting pod for UK RAF Typhoons.

ENGINE

The Eurofighter is equipped with two Eurojet EJ200 engines, each delivering thrust of 90kN in full reheat and 60kN in dry power mode. Single-stage turbines drive the three-stage fan and five-stage HP compressor. The engine features: digital control; wide chord aerofoils and single crystal turbine blades; a convergent /divergent exhaust nozzle; and integrated health monitoring.

SPECIFICATIONS - EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON MULTI-ROLE COMBAT FIGHTER, EUROPE

Dimensions
Wingspan 10.95 m
wing aspect ratio 2:205
wing area 50.0 square m
Length 15.96 m
Height 5.28 m
Weights
empty weight 10.995 kg
maximum take off weight 23,000 kg
Powerplant two EJ200 engines
total combat thrust 180 kn (40,000 lbs)
Performance
maximum level speed mach 2
runway length 700 m
g limits +9g to -3g











I hope that is enough information!

EDIT: Post has been placed in spoiler tags because of it's length.

This post has been edited by Dafmeister: Jun 19th 2006, 6:28 PM

[Protoziggy90]

That might be the longest single post I've ever seen, pics included.

[SA-1]

Thanks, I'm kind of proud of it that is the largest post I have ever made.

Anyway back to jets and the F-302.

[WaterDweller]

Actually the Israelis have a limited number of some sort of modified F-16 which supposedly can make a 180 degree turn in like 2 seconds at mach 2. Its supposed to be the most maneuverable in the world once it done. They actually plan on selling or sharing the technology with the US, but I don't remember what they get for it...

Not to burst anyone's bubble here, but... Wouldn't this kill, or mortally wound the pilot? I mean, the problem is already that a human being can only sustain so many G's, making a plane even more manouverable doesn't solve that problem. Doing a 180 degree turn in two seconds at mach two, without loosing speed (meaning ending up going mach 2 the other way), would make up towards 70 G's, right? And today pilots faint at like 10 G's... Even for a short exposure of a couple of seconds, this would still be extremely dangerous for the pilot.

(my calculations should be taken with a grain of salt, though. Didn't put a whole lot of work into them, and just applied some simple one-dimensional mechanics...)

This post has been edited by WaterDweller: Jun 19th 2006, 5:50 PM

[jetsetter]

Actually the Typhoon Eurofighter is the most manouvarble plane and dog fighter made today

Says who?

[Ares]

Ok so you must be an engineer or a physicist. But can you please tell me why the cockpit is of terrible design, and I said in a earlier post that it won't have goa'uld modifications ( Iknow the difference between scfi and reality) so I said that it would only be for atmospheric flight have regular weaponry and have radar etc. And what does the tail wing matter there are plenty of planes around with out tail wings and the 302 does have tail fin's the design is just a flying wing and have you ever seen the 302 fly I don't know if it is because the shows physics is a bit different to reality's, I'd be glad if you could clear up those points for me.

Thanks

Well, the 302 has only front and side viewing, the whole back part of it is blocked off. If you notice those F16 pics, you see the canopy is bubble-like and the pilot can see all around him. I'm going off memory of a 302, but the wing didn't look like it had any moveable parts. In order to go up, down, left, right, you gotta have some parts of the wing that are mobile in order to steer the thing. And you say some planes have no wing...like the B-2. Look how manuverable that thing is....it's not.

Another thing I forgot to add. Fuel problem. Since it has 2 engines, it would eat up fuel like there was no tomorrow. Without fuel tanks, this plane is gonna last like 15 mins before it crashes. And since it'll require the extra tanks, that'll leave less room for weapons. The plane is an overall bad design.

Regarding the eurofighter. Manuverability can be great but it's all about who tracks who first. If say, an F-16 went up against it, the EF would probably win. But there are some 16s out there with great radar jamming and could get a first shot in against the EF. Now if the EF went against the 22, it'd be no contest. The 22 could track the EF before the EF knew it was there. And even when the 22 got in range, there'd be no way to lock a missle on since the damn thing is stealth. I remember the 22 was dogfighting the 16 and the only time the 16 got a lock was when the 22 opened it's missile bay doors; and that was only for a second or two. So, the EF may have better manuverability but it's the 21st century, not the 40s. It's all about range, jamming and stealth these days.

EDIT: And no, I'm not an engineer or physicist. I just work on the damn thing, the f-16 that is.

This post has been edited by Ares: Jun 20th 2006, 2:35 AM