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[Dafmeister]

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So what and where is this subtle hint that gives us the way that Beckett will return? I'm inclined to think it has something to do with the 'The Tao of Rodney'. Beckett said that he was able to restore McKay's body because he kept DNA samples of all the personel on Atlantis. I can see cloning becoming a real possibility. I sincerely hope Mallozzi isn't going to go down that road.

[Invisible Painting]

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So what and where is this subtle hint that gives us the way that Beckett will return? I'm inclined to think it has something to do with the 'The Tao of Rodney'. Beckett said that he was able to restore McKay's body because he kept DNA samples of all the personel on Atlantis. I can see cloning becoming a real possibility. I sincerely hope Mallozzi isn't going to go down that road.

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You know, I'm inclined to agree, that was one episode I had an incling it might be. As most of the other episodes don't contain anything it could be. I think you might be right though, that plot would have still made sense had Beckett not added that bit given that it would stand to reason that Mckay's DNA would be taken sometime before it. That could be a realistic possiblility...

[IndyJan]

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So what and where is this subtle hint that gives us the way that Beckett will return? I'm inclined to think it has something to do with the 'The Tao of Rodney'. Beckett said that he was able to restore McKay's body because he kept DNA samples of all the personel on Atlantis. I can see cloning becoming a real possibility. I sincerely hope Mallozzi isn't going to go down that road.

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After reading everything, this could be a real possibility. I just don't hold out much hope because M&M are the ones in charge of SGA during season 4. We all know what JM thinks about the fans. As I already said, Carson's death was just a ploy. There was no real reason for it to happen. They just did it.

[Lancelot]

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So what and where is this subtle hint that gives us the way that Beckett will return? I'm inclined to think it has something to do with the 'The Tao of Rodney'. Beckett said that he was able to restore McKay's body because he kept DNA samples of all the personel on Atlantis. I can see cloning becoming a real possibility. I sincerely hope Mallozzi isn't going to go down that road.

if they do start using either earth or ancient technollogy for cloning I hope they clone ayanna from
frozen cause her heightened brain power would be extremely useful (maybe almost as useful as rodney
in the toa of rodney)also she may even get to keep her healing abilities and if we ever find an ancient
repository she could put her head in it to get the knowledge of the ancients. now there's just a few of the benefits I haven't even gone into the study of her healing ability's for ordinary people

[Dafmeister]

When has it been said they have kept her DNA? She was infected with a plague that could have spread to every Human on the planet, why would they risk storing her DNA?

[Lancelot]

Then there are those who are told what TPTB have said but don't acknowledge it, case in point, what Lancelot has just posted:
What is the point of hoping they will appear when TPTB have said they have no intention of showing them onscreen?

I trust that I still am allowed to think and feel for myself and not just what the producers of a tv program
want me to(or you for that matter)I still think that one day the ptb may just cave too pressure from the fans
and give us what we want(well most of us daf will of course contradict what i've just said by saying he hopes they don't show them)

When has it been said they have kept her DNA? She was infected with a plague that could have spread to every Human on the planet, why would they risk storing her DNA?

because they have the cure to that plague also we don't know if the plague exists in her dna
they can and often do keep biological samples (infected or not) for many years
in fact just the fact that she was infected with that virus would be reason enogh for the military to keep genetic samples
so that they could come up with a cure and for biological weapons

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[Dafmeister]

because they have the cure to that plague also we don't know if the plague exists in her dna
they can and often do keep biological samples (infected or not) for many years

So like I said before, when was it said they stored her DNA given her blood was infected with a virus that could have spread to the entire Human population of Earth, a plague which at that point they could not cure?

Her DNA wasn't used to cure the plague infecting Earth in 'The Fourth Horseman'. Gerak cured those infected at the SGC and their blood was used to synthesise a cure for the rest of the planet.

[IndyJan]

So like I said before, when was it said they stored her DNA given her blood was infected with a virus that could have spread to the entire Human population of Earth, a plague which at that point they could not cure?

Her DNA wasn't used to cure the plague infecting Earth in 'The Fourth Horseman'. Gerak cured those infected at the SGC and their blood was used to synthesise a cure for the rest of the planet.

You are spot on Daf. She was infected. They wore hazmat suits when treating her. They would not have kept her around in any fashion for that reason, once she had cured the rest, and the To'kra cured jack.

Orlin descended to human form to try and help find a cure, but he could not. It was Gerak that cured those infected at the SGC, and their blood was used to syntesize a cure for the rest of the planet. That same cure was what Landry gave to Janet in Ripple Effect, the alternate SG1 (one of them anyway)!

[Lancelot]

You are spot on Daf. She was infected. They wore hazmat suits when treating her. They would not have kept her around in any fashion for that reason, once she had cured the rest, and the To'kra cured jack.

Orlin descended to human form to try and help find a cure, but he could not. It was Gerak that cured those infected at the SGC, and their blood was used to syntesize a cure for the rest of the planet. That same cure was what Landry gave to Janet in Ripple Effect, the alternate SG1 (one of them anyway)!

erm this is the military we're talking about they would keep samples at least of the virus for study
also the sg1 members who were cured would be immune unless it mutated. the virus in the four horsemen
was only slightly different but (and i'm not certain on this) wasn't carter and o'niell immune because I don't remember them getting the virus

[Dafmeister]

erm this is the military we're talking about they would keep samples at least of the virus for study

Why are you avoiding the question? Where was it specifically said they kept samples of Ayanna's DNA?

also the sg1 members who were cured would be immune unless it mutated. the virus in the four horsemen was only slightly different but (and i'm not certain on this) wasn't carter and o'niell immune because I don't remember them getting the virus

So what about the rest of the planet? As we saw in 'The Fourth Horseman', even though Sam was immune, her blood could not provide a cure for the Prior's plague so the fact that she was immune is of no consequence.

[IndyJan]

wasn't carter and o'niell immune because I don't remember them getting the virus

Carter had been cured from Ayanna's, but not the virus that the Ori brought. Jack was only cured by a To'kra symbiote. We have no way of knowing that it was a permanent fix. The symbiote cures everything, including Cancer, which Jacob had. Once a symbiote is removed, people are open to all kinds of infections, diseases. it is not permanent without the symbiote.

[Revan]

Orlin descended to human form to try and help find a cure, but he could not. It was Gerak that cured those infected at the SGC, and their blood was used to syntesize a cure for the rest of the planet. That same cure was what Landry gave to Janet in Ripple Effect, the alternate SG1 (one of them anyway)!

Orlin was on the right track. Gerak gave the SGC the missing component, and they used it to cure Earth...

Carter had been cured from Ayanna's, but not the virus that the Ori brought. Jack was only cured by a To'kra symbiote. We have no way of knowing that it was a permanent fix. The symbiote cures everything, including Cancer, which Jacob had. Once a symbiote is removed, people are open to all kinds of infections, diseases. it is not permanent without the symbiote.

Jack never had a recurrence of the plague.-

[JTMAG1]

Orlin was on the right track. Gerak gave the SGC the missing component, and they used it to cure Earth...
Jack never had a recurrence of the plague.-

Because he never came into contact wth it again.

[IndyJan]

Because he never came into contact wth it again.

Exactly, having had a symbiote only cured things at that time, but it is not a permanent fix.

[Lancelot]

Why are you avoiding the question? Where was it specifically said they kept samples of Ayanna's DNA?
So what about the rest of the planet? As we saw in 'The Fourth Horseman', even though Sam was immune, her blood could not provide a cure for the Prior's plague so the fact that she was immune is of no consequence.

i'm not avoiding the question you are right that it has never been stated on the show that they have kept
samples of ayannas dna but it is logical to assume that they have kept such samples after all her dna is so far the most advanced state of human evolution that we have come across to take samples of
also the amerian military would have kept samples of the virus to try to create a cure and being such a deadly virus would try to create a biological weapon out of it

[JTMAG1]

i'm not avoiding the question you are right that it has never been stated on the show that they have kept
samples of ayannas dna but it is logical to assume that they have kept such samples after all her dna is so far the most advanced state of human evolution that we have come across to take samples of
also the amerian military would have kept samples of the virus to try to create a cure and being such a deadly virus would try to create a biological weapon out of it

I think that knowing that the Ancients were unable to develope a cure, and their own healing powers weren't even enough to stop the disease would be cause enough to forget trying to develope their own cure.

[Dafmeister]

i'm not avoiding the question you are right that it has never been stated on the show that they have kept samples of ayannas dna but it is logical to assume that they have kept such samples after all her dna is so far the most advanced state of human evolution that we have come across to take samples of

Yes, the most advanced DNA that Humans had come across at that point but also a DNA which contained the most virulent of plagues known to them. That in itself is proof no one would keep stupid enough to keep a sample.

also the amerian military would have kept samples of the virus to try to create a cure and being such a deadly virus would try to create a biological weapon out of it

A biological weapon? Are you kidding? Who would they use it on? If they used it against any country on Earth, it would spread to the entire population of the planet and Earth isn't in the habit of wiping out entire planets of Humans on the show either.

[IndyJan]

I think that knowing that the Ancients were unable to develope a cure, and their own healing powers weren't even enough to stop the disease would be cause enough to forget trying to develope their own cure.

Exactly, they knew that it was more than likely what killed the Ancients. The Ancients with all their knowledge and technology couldn't come up with anything, so why would they take a chance and save it? And where would they save it that it wouldn't come into contact with someone?