The hyperspace topic, part 2 Options

[JTMAG1]

That is exactly how hyperspace was explained to you. It's ok not to understand. Mind you, I was saying that the idea of compressing the universe was "not" hyperspace from the begining.

The teacher is the problem when the studentS don't get it. When one student doesn't get it... it's a different story. Please stop over using the whitsling face. It's becoming cliche and not longer has much meaning since everyone is putting it after every single post,and putting 3 in a row.


What is your source for this information. I don't think it's 100% correct. Specifically

Hyperspace is any region of space co-existing with our own universe (in some cases displaced in an extra spatial dimension) which may be entered using some sort of energy field or space-altering device.

I wouldn't call any parallel region of space hyperspace. That would limit us to two regions of space. That is essentially saying that every region of space that is not normal space is hyperspace. Like Marv said earlier, hyperspace is related to subspace, but the region of space contained by the ZPM is not considered hyperspace. Even though energy is used to access it.

[Janos]

If student has hard time to understand - maybe part of the problem is teacher. Don't you think.

No, I remember way back in school.... some students were just dumbasses.

[JTMAG1]

No, I remember way back in school.... some students were just dumbasses.

You are so much more eloquent than I Janos, I aspire to be like you when I grow up.

This post has been edited by JTMAG1: Jan 31st 2007, 1:18 AM

[KillerMarv]

Another attribute of hyperspace is that it enables time-travel. For example, one observer might interpret the journey as traveling into the future, another as with the present, and another as into the past, and all three may report some sort of movement in space.

Oh look, time travel with hyperspace. I haven't seen one of those since 1991, although I haven't seen in 1991, I know it was conceived in that year. I guess that some ideas go into cycle from time to time. I'll tell why this is wrong:

We don't use normal space-time, we are not bound to relativity, we break the speed limit of the universe without traveling to the future or in the past. Like I said, to obtain time travel, we need to avoid hyperspace.

[SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza]

hyperspace here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperspace_%2...ence_fiction%29

[KillerMarv]

hyperspace here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperspace_%2...ence_fiction%29

So... There is no mention how hyperspace works in Stargate there. Or no mention of modern theories of how it should work hypothetically. You should read this thread before you try to negate so many posts.

[SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza]

ok i'll change my words abit so it does not negate so many posts, after all i had no intention of hurting anyone so deeply.

More information on hyperspace in science fiction and the theories of hyperspace in science fiction can be found here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperspace_%2...ence_fiction%29
this link also provides ideas of where other information can be sought on the topic of hyperspace, one of these sources is world renowned physicist ad futurist Michio Kaku who has worked on theories on hyperspace and has also written a book on hyperspace called Hyperspace: A Scientific Odyssey Through Parallel Universes, Time Warps, and the Tenth Dimension , of which some people might be interested in reading.

[Janos]

one of these sources is world renowned physicist ad futurist Michio Kaku who has worked on theories on hyperspace and has also written a book on hyperspace called Hyperspace: A Scientific Odyssey Through Parallel Universes, Time Warps, and the Tenth Dimension , of which some people might be interested in reading.

That book is not about Hyperspace, it's a book that explains a lot of current Physics theories in layman's terms.

[KillerMarv]

That book is not about Hyperspace, it's a book that explains a lot of current Physics theories in layman's terms.

I wouldn't know. I haven't read the book yet. I've been searching everywhere for it, because everyone talks about it.

I still think that Hazza Mazza should read every post in this thread before posting any further.

[SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza]

thats Gen. Hazza Mazza 2 you mate
i cnt be stuffed reading every post neways

and you can buy the book here http://www.amazon.com/Hyperspace-Scientifi...3578&sr=8-1

there is also this book 2 http://www.amazon.com/Parallel-Worlds-Jour...3578&sr=8-5

That book is not about Hyperspace, it's a book that explains a lot of current Physics theories in layman's terms.

well an understanding in hyperspace can only be understood by firstly understanding the physics behind that kind of stuff.

This post has been edited by SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza: Apr 13th 2007, 9:17 AM

[thefirstone]

But if you don't bother acknoweledging other people's posts why should we care about what you have to say?

[SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza]

But if you don't bother acknoweledging other people's posts why should we care about what you have to say?

i respect that they have an opinion and they have made a post, i just cant be bothered going back and reading 100+ posts that killmarv is saying to do, ok i'm new i'll read 10or15, but ALL OF THEM, get real... i have a life i need to live to uknow

now if u dont mind i'm going to go watch a few eps of atlantis and go 2 sleep cya l8trs.

This post has been edited by SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza: Apr 13th 2007, 9:34 AM

[thefirstone]

Its only 6 pages try reading the first topic on this like I had to. It was more than 1000 posts, I think.

This post has been edited by thefirstone: Apr 13th 2007, 9:35 AM

[Dafmeister]

thats Gen. Hazza Mazza 2 you mate

The fact that he didn't include the Gen. part of your username bothers you why?

i just cant be bothered going back and reading 100+ posts that killmarv is saying to do, ok i'm new i'll read 10or15, but ALL OF THEM, get real... i have a life i need to live to uknow

All of us have lives to live but it doesn't alter the fact we read the posts in a thread before we post or in your case post an irrelevent link.

[thefirstone]

I guess 20 mins to half an hour reading them might kill him.

Heres something that been bothering me and hope that one of you can put me at ease:

Since hyperspace is another dimension, when were going through it do we occupy 5 dimensions(including time) or would we have to disregard a dimension? Because I read that theoretically if we occupy 4 dimensions(not including time) that the affect of gravity is altered is such a way that planets could spiral towards their neighbouring star or fly of somewhere else.

Or would their be no effect of gravity really in a window? Please someone clarify because I think I interepted it the wrong way and its wrecking my head. thanks in advance.

[SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza]

The fact that he didn't include the Gen. part of your username bothers you why?

u need 2 relax a little, getting a bit defensive
i was joking, it dosent bother me, and it wasnt an irrelavent link, he said that he's been looking for the book and i just told him where 2 find it.


lol and 2 think all this sh*t started from 2words and a link... ok its over can every body just continue and get on with the hyperspace topic...and ok i will read more posts from now on...and this senseless arguing should just stop as it says in the rules, eventhough i love to argue i would rather talk about stargate...now is that ok with you guys?

[thefirstone]

Your original post was the one targetted, not the link to the book. Since you're new, it is very hard to know when you're kidding about your name and how was Daf being defensive? From my perspective, it was the other way around.

This post has been edited by thefirstone: Apr 13th 2007, 10:11 AM

[SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza]

there are 11dimensions a great documentary for this is BBC's parallel universes which also explains the string theory the M theory and all the dimentions

This post has been edited by SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza: Apr 13th 2007, 10:18 AM

[thefirstone]

But how does that piece from the string theory make the rest of the link relevent to the stargate universe?

EDIT: Alternate universes have nothing to do with alternate dimensions.

This post has been edited by thefirstone: Apr 13th 2007, 10:15 AM

[KillerMarv]

thats Gen. Hazza Mazza 2 you mate
i cnt be stuffed reading every post neways

and you can buy the book here http://www.amazon.com/Hyperspace-Scientifi...3578&sr=8-1

there is also this book 2 http://www.amazon.com/Parallel-Worlds-Jour...3578&sr=8-5
well an understanding in hyperspace can only be understood by firstly understanding the physics behind that kind of stuff.

Yes, that option always exists, but not for me. I am in the impossibility of using a credit card right now, and I have to find a real shop to buy it from, since I have to pay with cash.

Firstone, hyperspace would not disregard time. You would actually occupy all 11 dimensions, as you are doing this right now. But you are static in most of them. In hyperspace you would be a dynamic object in the 3 dimensions of space, in time and in one of the 3 dimensions of subspace.

[thefirstone]

Sweet thanks a mil, Marv. That was wrecking my head for a while and didn't think it would end up that simple.

[strikeomen]

For a while now i was wondering why give the f-302 a hyperdrive and heres why. Yes while it can trvel faster it is pointless because you can not travvel to another planet whithing mimuents and i dont think the f-302 has surplies and sufficiant life surport to travel even to the closets of planets if you know why it was given a hyperdrive please let me know.

[KillerMarv]

For a while now i was wondering why give the f-302 a hyperdrive and heres why. Yes while it can trvel faster it is pointless because you can not travvel to another planet whithing mimuents and i dont think the f-302 has surplies and sufficiant life surport to travel even to the closets of planets if you know why it was given a hyperdrive please let me know.

The F-302 doesn't have a hyperdrive. The X-302 prototype had one, but since it was highly unstable, they stripped it off from the F-302 mass production.

Now, with your points:

1. Yes, it would be faster.
2. It wouldn't need much time to travel to the closest planet if the hyperdrive would be of quality. It would get there fast enough to not require too much life support or supplies (a few hours).

The reason why it is pointless is because the Stargate can take the quantity of men that an F-302 can carry much faster to another planet. If I wanna take a crew of 300 people to another planet and have fire support, I use the Prometheus, Daedalus or Odyssey. If I wanna take a team of 2 to another planet, I use the damn Stargate.

This post has been edited by KillerMarv: Aug 18th 2007, 7:12 AM

[Dafmeister]

The reason why it is pointless is because the Stargate can take the quantity of men that an F-302 can carry much faster to another planet. If I wanna take a crew of 300 people to another planet and have fire support, I use the Prometheus, Daedalus or Odyssey. If I wanna take a team of 2 to another planet, I use the damn Stargate.

Using the 302 as a transport in that way, yes it is useless but using the hyperdrive to intercept enemy ships before they reach Earth is the real point behind a hyperdrive on the X-302. Take the finale of season 1, Apophis and Klorel exit hyperspace around Saturn. If Earth had had access to a X-302 at that point, they wouldn't have needed to wait for the Ha'taks to reach Earth's orbit. The X-302 was never meant to be used to to ferry people between planets, it was meant to be used as an interstellar interceptor.