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This topic is designed to highlight the most commonly posted Nitpicks on this site. You see, when new people come to this site, they never seem to use the Search function. There's a big, bold "Search" button with graphic on the top of every single page. Click Here if you're having trouble finding it. As a result, we forum members see the same topics started over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.

For example, a commonly asked question on this site is, "Do you know if they're going to make a Stargate Video Game?"

Now, when we forum members see this, we use the search function and redirect these new people to the topics they're looking for. For instance, someone will post "A simple search for 'stargate video game' yields these results"

Or they'll post links directly to this topic, or this topic, or this topic, or this topic, or this topic, or this topic, or this topic, or this topic, or this topic - just to name a few. Believe me, there are more.

Or they can even say "Look at the Latest Stargate News sub-forum where you'll find such topics as:
First Look at "Stargate SG-1: The Alliance" Game! and
Stargate SG-1: The Alliance" Game Site Opens! and
Stargate SG-1: The Alliance" Video Game Dispute

See all of that work I did to find something that you asked? Well, we forum members get quite tired of doing all of the work for you, so we've compiled a list of the most common, and some of the biggest nitpicks from the show. PLEASE read through all 15 of these so you don't post a topic about something that has been discussed to death. If your topic has been closed and you've been directed here, please read through all of these so you don't start another topic that has been discussed to death. And before you decide to start ANY kind of topic on ANYTHING about Stargate, please remember to use the SEARCH FUNCTION.

So, here are the Top 15 Nitpicks presented in no particular order:
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#1 - How Did Apophis Dial The Gate?

In Children of the Gods, Apophis and his Jaffa dial into the SGC and shoot the guards guarding the gate. They abduct a female guard and retreat through the Stargate. The question is, how did they dial out of the SGC without the use of a DHD or the Gate Dialing Computer?

Evidence and Assumptions: We've only seen three ways to dial the gate.
1) With a DHD
2) with Manual Dialing (what Earth's dialing comptuer does and what was done in Nemesis, Prisoners, etc)
3) with advanced technology that immediately creates a wormhole (The Nox in Enigma, Cassandra in 1969, The Spirit Aliens in Spirits).
There was no DHD, so that cancels out the first one. It's possible that Apophis procured an advanced dialing device, yet we've never seen him ever use it in any other episodes, so that more than likely means he had his Jaffa dial the Gate manually as soon as possible.

So, to reiterate:
- The most likely choice is that the Jaffa Manually Dialed the Gate
- The second most likely choice is that Apophis had, in his possession, an advanced dialing device

#2 - Why Does Everybody Speak English?

In nearly every episode of Stargate, every alien race has an impeccable grasp of English. Why none of the alien writing we ever see is also in English, well that's a topic for another day.....

Think about what Stargate would be like if Daniel spent every single episode having to not only learn the language, but translate everything for everybody. That'd get quite boring and we'd lose time for all of the other parts of the show. So, just accept it, deal with it, and let it go.

If you absolutely can't accept it, and you need to have a reason, Rouge Ashrak has this to say:
"Basically an Ascended being named Bob is responsible for practically everyone speaking English. He's one of those Oma types who mildy interferes in the lives of lower beings, mostly so these lower beings have the ability to understand and appreciate the comedic gold that is The Simpsons ( Bob's favourite show)"

#3 - Where Are The Furlings? Have We Already Seen Them?

No, we have never, ever, EVER seen a Furling. There's a rumor going around that the Producers said we saw the Furlings somewhere in Seasons 1-4. That is a mistake based on a misquote that was perpetuated like wildfire on the forums. Once again, THE FURLINGS HAVE NEVER BEEN SEEN IN STARGATE. In the episode, Paradise Lost, we see Furling technology, but there were no Furlings there. That, and the episode The Fifth Race are the only two places where the word "Furling" has been mentioned.

Evidence and Assumptions: Thanks to Mister Oragahn in this post, we have this information from a 2002 Chat Transcript with Brad Wright, a producer of Stargate. He said:
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Moderator: <HEIZA>: Why the furly's dindn't appear?

Moderator: That's our first question...

Brad: That's kind of funny. Robert needed another race in his episode "The fifth race". He wrote furlings then, and ever since we've thought they must look like ewoks.

Brad: I doubt we'll ever meet them.

In 2002, they were either at the last half of Season 5 or the first half of Season 6. And judging by the rest of the transcript, it looks like the chat was done in Season 6. So that means, up through Season 6, and from Brad Wright's quote, the Furlings have not been seen at all. And they may never be seen, only time will tell.

#4 - Are Jack And Sam Going To Get Together?

No, Jack and Sam are both military officers. There are rules against the fraternization between officers.

Evidence and Assumptions: They never did get together throughout the series, that should tell you something. Plus, Richard Dean Anderson has left the show. Amanda Tapping has not left the show. Ergo, there is no way that Jack O'Neill can ever be with Samantha Carter.

#5 - The SGC Knows How To Get A ZPM! Why Don't They Make One Just Like Jack Did In The Fifth Race?

That was not a ZPM and there's no way they can build another one.

Evidence and Assumptions: The power cell from Teal'C's staff was made from liquid Naquadah, this is what powered the device Jack built. From the Atlantis episode, Rising about ZPM's:
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McKay : I've determined it generates its enormous power from vacuum energy from a self-contained region of subspace time.

ZPM's get their energy from subspace, not a vial of liquid Naquadah. The device O'Neill built was not a ZPM, it was a Naquadah amplifier. And we've seen at the end of Season 7's Lost City, that a ZPM device can use up a great quantity of power and still not be depleted. (The rest of that ZPM from Lost City was used up in opening a wormhole to the Pegasus galaxy to send the team to Atlantis in SGA's first episode, Rising) The device Jack built burned out after one extended wormhole in The Fifth Race. If a million+ year old ZPM can not only power an Ancient outpost and then be used to open an 8-Chevron wormhole, then a new device that exhausts it's power supply after one wormhole isn't a ZPM.

And even if they wanted to build another Naquadah amplifier, the original device (after the two Carters got it working again) was taken by alternate Carter to her alternate dimension in Point of View, after which the Quantum Mirror was promptly destroyed.

#6 - What's Up With The Point Of Origin?

If there are 39 chevrons on the Stargate, shouldn't there only be 39 points of origin?

Evidence and Assumptions: If that were true, we would have run out of planets to go to in Season 1 or 2 because there would have only been 39 possible planets. The only way the Stargate system could work is if each gate had the same 38 chevrons that are used as coordinates for distance calculations, and one unique chevron that is a Point of Origin (hereafter referred to as a PoO). That way, if the PoO was unique to each Stargate, you could have thousands upon thousands of different gates with unique PoO's.

That's how it should work. However, in real life, the producers of Stargate aren't going to make thousands of props of the Stargate, nor are they going to create unique PoO's for each planet they go to (there have been hundreds so far). What they have are 2 Stargate props. One prop is in the SGC set and one is the "off-world" gate that they bring to other sets. The SGC prop is hooked up to rotors and computers so that the inner ring spins around. This is expensive and also incidentally why none of the off-world gates have an inner ring that spins around.

Both props have the exact same set of chevrons on them. So, if you watch every single shot of every single Stargate from every single episode, you're going to find out that every single Stargate in the galaxy has the same 39 chevrons. It would be too expensive and time consuming on the part of the producers to create PoO's every single time we see a new Staragate. So, since we know that's how the Stargates should work, it's something we just have to chalk up as being a difference between how we see it work on TV and how we know it really has to work. This also holds true for the DHD. Logically, each DHD should have one symbol that's different than the other 38 symbols. This would be the PoO for a particular Stargate. However, there's only 1 or 2 DHD props, so every DHD on the show has the exact same symbols on it.

An excellent case study for this nitpick about the gates having the same symbols is when the Earth gate was beamed aboard Thor's ship; and then lost to the bottom of the ocean at the end of Nemesis when Thor's ship crashed. The SGC retrieved the second gate from Area 51, the gate found in Antarctica in Solitudes, and used that while the Russians recovered the sunken gate. So, while the SGC was commencing Stargate operations with the Antarctic gate, the PoO should have been different. However, the A-shaped symbol was
#1 - the only PoO on the Stargate prop
#2 - the symbol used as an identifying symbol for both Earth and the TV Show itself (it's in the title of the show twice)
#3 - and they frequently use stock footage of the gate dialing so they don't have to film it every single time (in the first season, nearly every planet they dialed was acutally the Abydos address)
So, rather than do anything about the difference between PoO's of the Giza gate and the Antarctic gate, the producers just ignored it because it was easier and cheaper than changing everything.

Here's a quick timeline of which gates were used when:

The original gate left on Earth by the Ancients when Atlantis had been in Antarctica for 20 Million years. The DHD from this gate was drained of its remaining power when the rouge NID agents used it in Touchstone.
Anarctic Gate:
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The Giza gate that was first found in Egypt after being left by Ra 10,000 years ago is the one Daniel Jackson figured out how to use in the movie and the one that started the SGC program. In Watergate, we find out that the DHD from this gate was taken by the Nazis in WWII, it was then recovered by the Russians who didn't know what it was. It was later destroyed in 48 Hours.
Giza Gate:
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-The Giza gate was transported onto Thor's ship and lost in the ocean where the
-Russians recovered it. Once they had it, they recognized the symbols from the DHD they aquired in the War.
-When the Giza gate was lost, the SGC started using the Antarctic gate.
-Anubis destroyed the Antarctic gate with his Ancient weapon in Redemption from Season 6.
-The SGC got the Giza gate back on loan from the Russians and now there is only one Stargate on Earth, the Giza gate.

#7 - Revelations - Carter Nitpick

Odie_63 noticed this while watching the widescreen version of Relevations at the end of Season 5. As Teal'C and O'Neill are walking around the ship, at one point, you can see Carter crouching out of the view (trying to at least) of the camera because she's going to be a hologram in the next scene. In the Fullscreen TV Release, she's cut out of the scene.

Evidence and Assumptions:
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#8 - The Mysterious "Tailor" Sarcophagus

In The Serpent's Grasp, not only were Daniel's wounds cleaned and healed by the Sarcophagus, amazingly, his shirt was also magically cleaned and re-knitted!

This is in contrast to O'Neill's shirt in Abyss that retained its holes after he was resurrected by Ba'al.

Evidence and Assumptions:

Daniel with the bloody, ripped up shirt:
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Daniel all cleaned up with his brand spankin' new clothing:
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#9 - Teal'C's Upside Down Serpent Symbol

In the episode The Enemy Within in Season 1, the makeup person made a little mistake

Evidence and Assumptions:
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#10 - Carter And Hailey Flip-Flop

In the episode Prodigy, Carter and Hailey both enter the Stargate, side by side, at the same time. When they step out of the Stargate on the planet, they're on the opposite sides of each other than when they stepped in.

Evidence and Assumptions:
Carter and Hailey Entering the Gate
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Carter and Hailey Exiting the Gate
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As you can see from the first pic, Carter is the taller of the two. It's hard to make out the faces in the second pic, but you can see the differences in height between the two of them

#11 - Why Doesn't The Iris Dissolve?

The Iris doesn't dissolve because it stops the Kawoosh from happening.

Evidence and Assumptions: The Kawoosh is a side effect of the formation of a wormhole, but not a requirement. In an open setting, a Kawoosh will always form. But putting something close enough to the event horizon will stop the Kawoosh from happening. Case in point, 100 Days. A meteorite impacted the area around the Stargate. It liquified the Naquadah in the soil above the horizontal Stargate (that was knocked over from the impact) and created a natural iris. Sam's particle weapon was able to dissolve that iris enough for the Kawoosh to form and disintegrate the rest of the cavern that Teal'C used to dig his way out.

#12 - SGC Recieved IDC Codes Before The Wormhole

In the early seasons of Stargate, the IDC from an incoming SG team sometimes was registered on the SGC comptuers before the wormhole was established. You can see examples in some of these episodes: In Children of the Gods as they were dialing in from Chulak, the beginning of Solitudes, or before Jack was shot with the arrow in Spirits.

#13 - What's Up With Zat Guns?

They could solve so many of their problems if they just disintegrated things! Why don't they just do that? They could disintegrate dead Jaffa bodies, open locked doors, get out of sticky situations, etc....

Evidence and Assumptions: That's exactly why they don't do it. In the commentary for the episode Wormhole X-Treme, the producers/directors said that the "3rd shot disintegrates" was one of the things they wish they could have unwritten from the show. They said that was a plot device they used in 2 episodes (Season 2's Family and 1969) and now they have to live with their mistake. Simply because if there was an easy way out of any problem, how could you ever feel that SG-1 was in and kind of danger? If they're not in danger, if there's no risk, then the show would get boring.

And something else that's been discussed countless times that might as well be addressed here, is the question "How do Zat guns work?" Well, they don't work. As far as we know, there's no way to disintegrate mass like they do on Stargate. When the 3rd shot was used on objects, they completely disappeared.
Since there was no residue of any kind, it would seem that the Zat completely transferred the mass to energy. Now, let's take a look at that using an average 70kg man (160 lbs)
E=mc^2
E=(70kg)(3x10^8m/s)^2
E=6.48x10^18 J (Joules)
E=6,480,000 TJ (Terrajoules).
So, one 70kg person completely converted to energy (100% efficient) would yield 6,480,000 TJ.

Now, the bombs dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were between 54-92 TJ. Even supposing that it wasn't anywhere near 100% efficient, let's say only 5% efficient, the energy released from one person would be 324,000 TJ.That's WAY more than Hiroshima and Nagasaki put together. And since we didn't see any nuclear explosions when something on Stargate was disintegrated, then it's a good bet that we can scratch out any kind of energy conversion when a 3rd Zat shot hits (note: vaporization would also convert much of the mass to energy).

If an object is not turned to energy, nor vaporized, then disintegration can only mean broken down into tiny pieces. Now, even supposing that that would not also release a tremendous amount of energy, you would still be left with a pile of "stuff" that is the left over remnants of a person or object. And we don't see that on Stargate either!

So what can we conclude? We have no idea how a Zat gun works. And since the producers of the show wish that they never came up with the idea of disintegration, we should just recognize that fact, and accept that Zat guns don't disintegrate and leave it alone because we'll probably never see it again.

#14 - Why Did This Happen In The Movie And Not In The Series?

The Stargate movie and the Stargate SG-1 TV Series are two completely different things. The movie was made by an entirely different group of people than the ones who make the series. They were writing a movie without any thought of it becoming a series. It came out years before any of the plot devices we've seen in the series were even thought of. There are so many inconsistancies between the movie and the series that the best way to even think of the movie is to think that it happened in an alternate dimension where most of the same things happened.

All you need to know from the movie is:
-Stargate is found in Giza in 1928
-Scientists, with the help of Daniel Jackson open the gate
-A team goes through to determine threat level
-Daniel marries an Abydonian and learns how to speak Ancient Egyptian
-The team finds out that Ra was actually an alien and supplanted humans from Earth to Abydos
-Threat level assessed as Very High, Jack O'Neil secretly brought a Nuclear Device for a suicide mission to destroy any threat to Earth
-O'Neil volunteered for suicide mission because of severe depression at the loss of his son (killed with his O'Neil's own gun)
-Ra decides to destroy Earth by sending the bomb back through the gate with a shipment of his mineral (Naquadah)
-The team kills Ra, goes back to Earth, Daniel stays on Abydos

That's all you need to know to start watching the series in Season 1.

Here are some of the more glaring inconsistancies, there are plenty more:
Movie: Jack's son is named Tyler
Series: Jack's son is named Charlie

Movie: Stargate went to another galaxy
Series: Stargate goes only within this galaxy

Movie: The symbols on the Stargate were different on Abydos
Series: Every Stargate has the same symbols

Movie: Nobody on Abydos spoke English
Series: Everybody on every planet speaks English (See Nitpick #2)

Movie: Goa'uld looked like the Roswell Greys - THEY ARE NOT ASGARD. The Asgard had not been thought of yet
Series: Goa'uld look like snakes

Movie: Ra's first officer was Anubis and his second was Horus, not a Jaffa Jackal Guard or a Jaffa Eagle Guard.
Series: Anubis and Horus (Heru'er) were both System Lords

Movie: They were covered in frost after going through gate
Series: The makeup costs and time involved for doing that every time were not cost effective. To explain it, they said that once the dialing computer realigned the addresses from the cartouche, they had a smoother ride. The frost happened because the Abydos address was slightly off which gave them a bumpy ride.

Movie: The Gate shook the entire facility when activated
Series: They installed seismic dampeners to stop that from happening. Another change because of $$$

Movie: Ra's officers all had retractable helmets
Series: The budget for the show wasn't enough to have cool CGI retracting helmets, so the ones in Seasons 1 and 2 were very heavy, bulky, and hard for the actors to use. So, since they were such a hassle, the helmets rarely crop in in the series. It wasn't until Season 8's Mobius that we see a nicely done helmet retraction. There was a passable one done in Season 2's Family.

Movie: Daniel's wife's name is Shau'ri
Series: Daniel's wife's name is Shae're

Movie: The military installation where the Stargate was located was in Creek Mountain
Series: The SGC is located in Cheyenne Mountain

#15 - 9-Button GDO Dials 10 Numbers?

The GDO (yes, that does mean 'Garage Door Opener') only has 9 buttons on it, but when we learn what Jack's IDC code is, it's impossible to dial with 9 buttons!

Evidence and Assumptions: In the episode, Unnatural Selection, First says, "Your iris code is 903224637". However, when we get a good look at a GDO in the episode, 2010, we see that it only has 9 buttons. Now, if you only had to dial 1-9, then it would be fine. But if you need to dial 0 - like in the IDC code above - you need to have 10 buttons on a GDO! Where's the 10th button?

Here's the 9-Button GDO:


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post Nov 5th 2005, 8:10 AM
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QUOTE(Janos @ Nov 5th 2005, 12:20 PM)
This topic is designed to highlight the most commonly posted Nitpicks on this site. You see, when new people come to this site, they never seem to use the Search function. There's a big,  bold "Search" button with graphic on the top of every single page.

Have you PMed Arc or Linz to get the thread pinned at the top of the forum, otherwise it could drop off the first page?
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I was going to suggest that, it is a good idea. Apart from that it is a good list, and should hopefully lower some of the numbers of repeat topics. But theyll still slip on through aye. It is one of those things though that should be at the top of the page. This threads going to stay open so newbies can ask questions about it though right?
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Yeah, I talked to Odin about it, but I don't think he's been online since I posted it wink.gif

I figured that it should stay open because people are going to still want to talk about Teal'C's symbol being upside down even though there's nothing to say biggrin.gif

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Yes he talked to me....but I can't do stuff in Nitpicking and Trivia.

Janos...you'll have to nitpick Linz, Kuwdora or Arcady.

Or I can just report this post and get all three of their attention in one blow smile.gif
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QUOTE(OdinisThor'sDad @ Nov 5th 2005, 9:16 PM)
Yes he talked to me....but I can't do stuff in Nitpicking and Trivia.
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Oh, you know, I didn't even look at that... unsure.gif

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Later in your post it says that Ra's guards were Anubis and Horus in the movie.. which one was which?

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QUOTE(Scaraby The Se7enth @ Jan 10th 2006, 10:45 PM) *

Later in your post it says that Ra's guards were Anubis and Horus in the movie.. which one was which?

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Anubis was the one with the Jackal head gear. Horus (with the Hawk head gear) was the dead one that Daniel used to prove to Kasuf that they were not Gods.
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Light bulbs! Can anyone explain why we have a race that has mastered interstellar space travel but still uses fire pits as their source of light?
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the jaffa use fire, but the goa;uld have lights, they just add the fire for the effect, it makes them look more evil, would it have been the same if sokar was waving his hand over a flashlight? look at anubis' mother ships, even the sarcofogaus has lights on the inside
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the jaffa use fire, but the goa;uld have lights, they just add the fire for the effect, it makes them look more evil, would it have been the same if sokar was waving his hand over a flashlight? look at anubis' mother ships, even the sarcofogaus has lights on the inside

So why are they still using fire pits? Why would any race that breathes oxygen use fire on a spaceship?
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Because they can! :)
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Because it adds to their culture smile.gif . That and they think that it looks good. Goa'uld ships do have proper lights though. It's just a lot use flame as well. I mean why do they have stone prisons as well when they could have lazer prisons. They're lazy! Pure and simple! smile.gif

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in terms of the prisons, power can fail, prisoners escape, even the ancients used regular jail cells, just enhanced them w/ force shileds
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in terms of the prisons, power can fail, prisoners escape, even the ancients used regular jail cells, just enhanced them w/ force shileds

That's not a regular jail cell then is it...? They were walls with forcefields to, you can't expect a jail cell to be entirely lazer. Whats the point in that?
And the goa'ulds power doesn't fail much, only when sg1 is on board. But I'm sure that the goa'uld wouldn't decide to use brick cells instead of energy just in case of a power failure.
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post Jan 12th 2006, 6:42 PM
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yeah, they usually have jail cells, quite small, but no force fields, however on 3 occasions, they did use them, the robots on cronus' ship were in a energy cell, in "the other guys" same thing, and in the first episode of season 7 on anubis' ship they ahd one as well, all of which were easily overcome


about the furlings, i like the guys suggestion in citizne joe, they should so make them look like ewoks

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post Jan 12th 2006, 6:56 PM
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You mean explosions and turning off the power. Yeah hard. They also got out of the cell in CoTGs by 3 staff blasts. It took a naquadria explosion and a self distructing robot to destroy the other one's. They are harder to destroy. It's just SG1 usually have explosives on them. Which can free them from any cell. smile.gif Also any non energy cells were also quite easily overcome on the show. How else do you expect the good guys to survive. smile.gif
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post Jan 22nd 2006, 7:54 PM
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I have another one that really bothers me because I love the earth symbol on the Stargate.

In the movie the A symbol is the Abydos symbol NOT the Stargate Symbol. If you look in the movie the symble is like two earings next to eachother or to semi colans next to one another. Daniel Draws them on the white erase board in the first meeting.

However in the series the symbol is the A symbol that they always dial with. It should be the other one!

I love both but can someone find out for me why that changed???

Truthfully should not be for money or anything like that.
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post Jan 22nd 2006, 8:18 PM
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It only looked different because the symbol on the cartouche was more elaborate than the one on the Stargate. Since all other symbols were constellations they had to be carved exactly as they were seen.
The symbol for Abydos was similar to Earth, except there were three circles over the pyramid, representing Abydos' moons. You see Skaara drawing the symbol for Abydos at the end of the movie, it is clearly different to the Earth symbol.
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post Jan 22nd 2006, 10:12 PM
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Oh ok thank you for that clarification. I totally forgot it was an extention of the A symbol.
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Wow the one about Teal'c snake is funny...I never saw that.
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I jsut discovered something quite odd last night. After re-watching "the Fifth Race" (I think it was .. it was on that DVD at any rate ...) I noticed the following:
  • an incomming wormhole was attempting to establish the inner-ring was spinning
  • after about 3 chevrons have locked (or whatever) Hammond orders the Iris closed. the inner-ring was still spinning
  • cut to the Iris closing. the inner-ring was NOT spinning while the iris was closing!!
  • back to them watching the gate. the inner-ring was spinning
Note the discrepancy. I wonder if this happens across multiple episodes, even later in the series? I will have to take a look, but I can only check the first 4 seasons atm. Does someone want to check the later seasons for said anomoly?
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