Who is more advanced The ASCHEN or The TOLLAN, The ASCHEN or The TOLLAN's Options

[Wotan]

the aschens may be more agressive but the two races are the same techmology wise, or similar.

[stargate_addict]

Tollan they were advance mentally, and technologically.

[hobo_joe20]

So I guess that creating your own sun doesn't count as advanced technology ... and being patient enough to wait over 200 years to take over a planet in plain view of the target race doesn't count as being advenced mentally?

[themeancanadian]

So I guess that creating your own sun doesn't count as advanced technology ... and being patient enough to wait over 200 years to take over a planet in plain view of the target race doesn't count as being advenced mentally?

Creating a sun can be done by simply adding enough mass to an already large planet like Jupiter. This is nowhere near the technological feat that ripping a hole through the fabric of the universe is or creating a device that does that.

Patient does not denote intelligent or mental advancement. In the middle ages armies would poison wells and wait for defends to die, this is not mental advancement but a simple military strategy.

This topic seems to be going in circles.

[hobo_joe20]

I was just trying to draw a point that stargate_addict really didn't add anything to this. Simply stated the tollens were more advanced "just because". And yes, there really is no direct comparison between the 2. Now, had they actually met ..

[Durakken]

stupid arguement v.v

how many people could defeat the goa'ild if they attacked the goa'uld

the Tok'ra possably
the ancients
the sauracan probably
the tollan
the aschen
the asgard
the knox
the replicators
the wraith
the ori
the earth


the goa'uld before anubis was pretty much a nuisance to the advanced races.

Lets look at the facts...

The aschen would have beat the goa'uld in 2000
Anubis didn't return till 2001
The tollans were killed to kill earth

So first we gotta point out in 2010 that when the aschen beat the goa'uld first it was an attack, second the goa'uld prolly haadn't encounteredthe aschen before, and third anubis' ship prolly wasn't done being built.

so that's prolly why the aschen could beat the goa'uld

why did the tollan's lose...Simply a matter of rapid advancement. You have a cannnon and it's doing fine against a race and every now and then it needs some tweaks but it mostly holds off anything possable in one or two shots. Suddenly instead of being destroed the ship just ignores theshot pretty much. There's not much you can do at that point.

Take for example earth's situation. For 30-40 yrs now countries have been at a stalemate because of nuklear arms. Basically we can't kill anyone without being killed. Now what if we suddenly developed shield technology. We could freely fire on every one as they wouldn't be able to touch us and the radiation wouldn't kill us either.

anubis' jump in technology was really really not expected and anything like that happening can caue quite a lot of problems for any race...i mean look at the tollans they're dead because of that ^.^

[Victus]

I might have to side with the aschen.

That said I'm somewhat surprised they couldn't figure out the gate network.

Somewhat of a nitpick, in the episone '2000', how did they aschen dial earth in an attempt to deliver the bioweapon? They
re pretty smart, you'd think they would figure it out.

[Alosel]

Well, the Tau'ri managed to turn on the Gate and dial to Abydos, because they had the address for it. Then a year later, Daniel returns with a Carthouch that has even more addresses on it.
Then O'neill has the Ancient Repisotory inside his head, and he puts even more address into the computer. We got lucky.

The Aschen probably did have many addresses.

[themeancanadian]

I might have to side with the aschen.

That said I'm somewhat surprised they couldn't figure out the gate network.

Somewhat of a nitpick, in the episone '2000', how did they aschen dial earth in an attempt to deliver the bioweapon? They
re pretty smart, you'd think they would figure it out.

If you're siding with the Aschen, you should at least back up your statement.

As for figuring out the gate address to Earth, all they would have had to do was look over our shoulders when we dialed. Pretty simple.

[Durakken]

i think anyone assuming that someone beating someone else means they are technologically advance is dumb v.v

It would mean that all those people we call barbarians were technologically more advanced and more skilled warriors than the roman military. Which we know is utterly wrong.

Someone being advanced means jack shyt when it comes to war. for all purposes earth could have easilly beat the tollans and the asgard and a lot of other races out there simply because earth has been the only race with a militaristic mind set.

but assuming that the aschen did beat the goa'uld because of superior technology. what's that make them? second to last technological race not including earth?

Beating the goa'uld isn't a big feet really and a lot of races feel it doesn't effect us so who cares. Earth is the only people semi-actively engaging the goa'uld on any front.