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> Season 3 finale "First Strike", Contains spoilers
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post Nov 24th 2006, 1:12 PM
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wat about taht aincent ship outta the return part one?? oh heres another idea the asurans transport onto the apollo and open fire on the deadlus that one retreats but all the mains are on the apollo
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post Nov 24th 2006, 4:33 PM
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Groundstate with all due respect can you repost that in english please? 1.gif

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post Nov 24th 2006, 4:44 PM
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QUOTE(groundstate @ Nov 24th 2006, 1:12 PM) *

wat about taht aincent ship outta the return part one?? oh heres another idea the asurans transport onto the apollo and open fire on the deadlus that one retreats but all the mains are on the apollo



QUOTE(dr lee @ Nov 24th 2006, 4:33 PM) *

Groundstate with all due respect can you repost that in english please? 1.gif

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I think he is saying...

What about the Tria, from Return Part 1? Here is an idea: The Asurans comandeer the Apollo, and use it to destroy the Daedalus.


Course I could be wrong... my Gibberish is a bit rusty...
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post Nov 25th 2006, 2:47 PM
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ya revan your right
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post Nov 25th 2006, 2:52 PM
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QUOTE(groundstate @ Nov 25th 2006, 2:47 PM) *

ya revan your right

Why would the Asurans have any need to steal the Apollo? Their ships are far more powerful, and they probably have created a defense against he disruptor weapons by now.
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post Nov 26th 2006, 5:44 AM
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its another ship too there fleet y would they care how powerfull it is??
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post Nov 26th 2006, 8:54 AM
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QUOTE(groundstate @ Nov 26th 2006, 10:44 AM) *
its another ship too there fleet y would they care how powerfull it is??
Ok, it's another ship but it is a ship that is vastly inferior to anything they could build. So why would the Asurans want a ship that is inferior in every aspect to those they could build themselves?
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post Nov 26th 2006, 2:13 PM
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its not that stupid an idea, the replicators comandeered god knows how many goa'uld sheips, and they are a lot more inferior to any replicator ship!!!!
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post Nov 26th 2006, 2:22 PM
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QUOTE(baggers1982 @ Nov 26th 2006, 7:13 PM) *
its not that stupid an idea, the replicators comandeered god knows how many goa'uld sheips, and they are a lot more inferior to any replicator ship!!!!
Yes but you are referring to the bug-like Replicators which acted on instinct (and a basic command to replicate) and took whatever they could find. The Asurans are capable of strategic thought and so wouldn't need to go to the trouble of capturing a less advanced ship, upgrade it and use it in battle when they could build their own more advanced ship.
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post Nov 26th 2006, 2:29 PM
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well thats just speculation, if the apollo goes ahead with its strategic strike and destroys the asuran fleet then desperate times calls for desperate measures.at the end of the day the bug like replicators were still being controlled by a human form replicator,whats the difference!
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post Nov 26th 2006, 2:45 PM
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QUOTE(baggers1982 @ Nov 26th 2006, 7:29 PM) *
well thats just speculation,
What is speculation? What I said is fact - the bug Replicators followed a basic command set by Reece and the Asurans are capable of individual thought and do not have to take over every ship they encounter.


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at the end of the day the bug like replicators were still being controlled by a human form replicator,whats the difference!
The original Replicators weren't being controlled by Human form Replicators until season 6. Before then they were controlled by Reece for a short time and before that they were following a command set by Reece to defend themselves and replicate.
The Asurans know that Atlantis has access to Puddle Jumpers and drones and could easily destroy Apollo if it was used against Atlantis.
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post Nov 26th 2006, 3:02 PM
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thats got nothing to do with my point, if the apollo goes ahead and succeeds in its first strike and destroys the asuran fleet, then its completely feasable that they might take over a human ship, seeing as they've got none of their own ships left. the fact that they can build their own all singing, all dancing ships has got f*ck all to do with it.

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post Nov 26th 2006, 4:00 PM
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So if Apollo suceeds you think the Asurans are going to go to the trouble to build a ship that can be used to board Apollo so they can steal it then waste time upgrading it?
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post Nov 26th 2006, 4:39 PM
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QUOTE(groundstate @ Nov 26th 2006, 5:44 AM) *

its another ship too there fleet y would they care how powerfull it is??

The Milky Way replicators always ignored vastly inferior ships... they were rather like the Borg. They ignored the Prometheus because it was not advanced or unique or interesting and posed no threat to them.


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So if Apollo suceeds you think the Asurans are going to go to the trouble to build a ship that can be used to board Apollo so they can steal it then waste time upgrading it?

If the Apollo succeeds.... won't they all be dead?

If they can build a ship to attack and steal the Apollo... well.... to what end? Why would they do it? There is no logical purpose...


Whether or not an Asuran plan to steal an Earth ship is feasible is irrelevent... they would not do it because they are able to build their own hsips and have no reason to take an Earth ship.
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QUOTE(Revan @ Nov 26th 2006, 9:39 PM) *
If they can build a ship to attack and steal the Apollo... well.... to what end? Why would they do it? There is no logical purpose...
Whether or not an Asuran plan to steal an Earth ship is feasible is irrelevent... they would not do it because they are able to build their own hsips and have no reason to take an Earth ship.
That was my point. If the Apollo destroys the Asuran fleet, there is no reason for the Asurans to build a ship for the specific use of boarding Apollo so it can be stolen for their own use given how inferior it is to their own technology.
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who said anything about building a ship to board the apollo, they could simply do it as a last ditch attempt to survive.they're obviously going to have beaming tech or atleast rings aboard their ships.they could then then turn the apollo against us, element of surprise and all that.
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QUOTE(baggers1982 @ Nov 26th 2006, 11:25 PM) *
who said anything about building a ship to board the apollo, they could simply do it as a last ditch attempt to survive.
How are they going to get aboard then?


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they're obviously going to have beaming tech or atleast rings aboard their ships.
Atlantis never had ring technology and the site to site transporters were only very short range, plus Apollo has shields and a person cannot transport/ring abord when shields are up.
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wrong,you can ring onboard a ship when the shields are up.its been done so many times in the past.
i'm not saying what groundstate said will happen,but it is possible.
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post Nov 26th 2006, 8:24 PM
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QUOTE(baggers1982 @ Nov 27th 2006, 12:45 AM) *
wrong,you can ring onboard a ship when the shields are up.its been done so many times in the past.
They have done it once and that was only because the shield frequency of a Goa'uld ship had been altered to allow a ring transporter beam. Since the Alterans wouldn't know what frequency Apollo's shields were operating at they couldn't ring in. Of course, they would need ring transporter technology to begin with, they don't have it so it is a moot point.
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daniel managed to ring aboard the ori ship too don't forget.so if the asurans haven't got the old ring tech, what have they got. can't remember seeing any kind of transporter of ancient design, other than those within atlantis!
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post Nov 27th 2006, 1:47 PM
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QUOTE(baggers1982 @ Nov 27th 2006, 6:25 PM) *
daniel managed to ring aboard the ori ship too don't forget.
That was because the shields on the Ori ship were fluctuating because they were firing their weapons. Under normal circumstances, he wouldn't have been able to ring aboard. It was the same as when Odyssey beamed Daniel and Vala from the Ori ship in 'Flesh and Blood'.


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so if the asurans haven't got the old ring tech, what have they got. can't remember seeing any kind of transporter of ancient design, other than those within atlantis!
Obviously they don't have transporter tech as the Asgard do. They have site to site transporters between specific locations but that is all. We've never seen any Ancient transporters that behave in the same way as those of the Asgard. Whether it is ring technology of the transporters in Atlantis, the transport is always between two specific locations.
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post Nov 28th 2006, 9:41 AM
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Well i said this on page two and it's been confirmed.

Gateworld Linky

The actor Michael Beach is to play Colonel Abe Ellis in this episode.
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post Nov 28th 2006, 12:09 PM
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the one thing they could use on the apollo is the more advanced hyper drive remember the aincent hyper drives sucked
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post Nov 28th 2006, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(groundstate @ Nov 28th 2006, 12:09 PM) *

the one thing they could use on the apollo is the more advanced hyper drive remember the aincent hyper drives sucked

I cannot imagine where you got that from... We know for a fact that the Ancient had very, very powerful hyperdrives.
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