Countries represented at Atlantis Options

[Ritchmeister]

These countries are confirmed to be at Atlantis:
United States, Canada, Scotland, Germany, Spain, England, Russia, Australia, Phillipines, Korea, Belgium, Sweden, Czech Republic, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Japan

These countries may be but have not been confirmed yet:
Saudi Arabia, Argentina, Honduras, Poland, Nigeria

Countries providing military:
United States, Spain, Russia, South Africa, Japan

[PyroPenguin]

If all these countries have people in Atlantis than that means that general knowledge of the stargate is too secret anymore.

[major]

[PyroPenguin]

I've been waiting to see that episode.

Its on at like 1:37 am this saturday for me on sydication.

[QUOTE]If all these countries have people in Atlantis than that means that general knowledge of the stargate is too secret anymore[/QOUTE]

that should be isn't not is

my error

This post has been edited by PyroPenguin: Aug 12th 2004, 11:39 PM

[Raptor937]

That's a lot of countries.

Japan providing troops? That's very odd, since their military force is the SDF (Self-Defence Force)

[Tashunka_Witko]

[Ritchmeister]

The Japanese trooper was seen over the sergeant's shoulder in last weeks episode when shepard and the sergeant are arguing about Teyla's loyalty

I saw the Zimbabwe flag on the shoulder of a scientist they week they were trying to find a way to fix the puddle jumper

I believe the Saudi and Argentine (or Honduran) were in the hall way outside the gate room prior to their departure to Atlantis (just before you here "does anyone speak their language")

I was told about the Nigerian (still have not seen it)

the Pole is in the puddle jumper on the episode trying to help figure out how to get the pods to retract (there is dicussion on whether this is a Pole or another Russian)

Some of these countries are signatures to the Antarctic Treaty of 1963

[P3X696]

Actually they explained why all these countries know in the pilot. The attact ovewr antarctica from anubis and events thereafter were pretty hard to keep secret from other countries who most likelly monitor places like antarctica.

The fact that it was in antarctica means that no standard cyvilian was there to witness the events and the stargate program can still be kept secret from the general public.

But yeah, among reigning powers around the world, it is pretty general knowledge now.

[Ritchmeister]

After watching the 38 minute episode, we can remove Poland from the list of countries represented at Atlantis

[Ritchmeister]

In the pilot O'Neil mentioned the Antartic Treaty. This is a real life Treaty. If we hold that treaty in Atlantis then your would be suprised at some of the countries that now now about the SGC. I have included a copy of the Treaty here

This is from the CIA Factbook:

Antarctic Treaty Summary - the Antarctic Treaty, signed on 1 December 1959 and entered into force on 23 June 1961, establishes the legal framework for the management of Antarctica; the 26th Antarctic Treaty Consultative Meeting was held in Madrid, Spain in June 2003; at these periodic meetings, decisions are made by consensus (not by vote) of all consultative member nations; at the end of 2003, there were 45 treaty member nations: 27 consultative and 18 non-consultative; consultative (decision-making) members include the seven nations that claim portions of Antarctica as national territory (some claims overlap) and 20 non-claimant nations; the US and Russia have reserved the right to make claims; the US does not recognize the claims of others; Antarctica is administered through meetings of the consultative member nations; decisions from these meetings are carried out by these member nations (with respect to their own nationals and operations) in accordance with their own national laws; the year in parentheses indicates when an acceding nation was accepted as a consultative member, while no date indicates the country was an original 1959 treaty signatory; claimant nations are - Argentina, Australia, Chile, France, New Zealand, Norway, and the UK. Nonclaimant consultative nations are - Belgium, Brazil (1983), Bulgaria (1998) China (1985), Ecuador (1990), Finland (1989), Germany (1981), India (1983), Italy (1987), Japan, South Korea (1989), Netherlands (1990), Peru (1989), Poland (1977), Russia, South Africa, Spain (1988), Sweden (1988), Uruguay (1985), and the US; non-consultative members, with year of accession in parentheses, are - Austria (1987), Canada (1988), Colombia (1989), Cuba (1984), Czech Republic (1993), Denmark (1965), Estonia (2001), Greece (1987), Guatemala (1991), Hungary (1984), North Korea (1987), Papua New Guinea (1981), Romania (1971), Slovakia (1993), Switzerland (1990), Turkey (1995), Ukraine (1992), and Venezuela (1999); Article 1 - area to be used for peaceful purposes only; military activity, such as weapons testing, is prohibited, but military personnel and equipment may be used for scientific research or any other peaceful purpose; Article 2 - freedom of scientific investigation and cooperation shall continue; Article 3 - free exchange of information and personnel, cooperation with the UN and other international agencies; Article 4 - does not recognize, dispute, or establish territorial claims and no new claims shall be asserted while the treaty is in force; Article 5 - prohibits nuclear explosions or disposal of radioactive wastes; Article 6 - includes under the treaty all land and ice shelves south of 60 degrees 00 minutes south and reserves high seas rights; Article 7 - treaty-state observers have free access, including aerial observation, to any area and may inspect all stations, installations, and equipment; advance notice of all expeditions and of the introduction of military personnel must be given; Article 8 - allows for jurisdiction over observers and scientists by their own states; Article 9 - frequent consultative meetings take place among member nations; Article 10 - treaty states will discourage activities by any country in Antarctica that are contrary to the treaty; Article 11 - disputes to be settled peacefully by the parties concerned or, ultimately, by the ICJ; Articles 12, 13, 14 - deal with upholding, interpreting, and amending the treaty among involved nations; other agreements - some 200 recommendations adopted at treaty consultative meetings and ratified by governments include - Agreed Measures for Fauna and Flora (1964) which were later incorporated into the Environmental Protocol; Convention for the Conservation of Antarctic Seals (1972); Convention on the Conservation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources (1980); a mineral resources agreement was signed in 1988 but remains unratified; the Protocol on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty was signed 4 October 1991 and entered into force 14 January 1998; this agreement provides for the protection of the Antarctic environment through five specific annexes: 1) environmental impact assessment, 2) conservation of Antarctic fauna and flora, 3) waste disposal and waste management, 4) prevention of marine pollution, and 5) area protection and management; it prohibits all activities relating to mineral resources except scientific research

[Christy]

i wouldn't have thought Australia would be that important

[Ritchmeister]

Lets not forget the Antartic Treaty referenced exists in real life. Australia is a signator to that treaty because of its location. Lets not also forgets the explosions and combat of the scale that we say bethween the Goa'ul and the Air Force would be rather hard to hide from the countries that have outpost on Antartica and from counties close to there such as Australia and New Zealand, South Africa, Argentina and Chile.

[Ritchmeister]

sorry for all the spelling mistakes, its late for me...been up since 3pm yesterday

[Nemonack]

[Ritchmeister]

This was discussed at another post site. Scotland has an sei-independent identity within Great Britian. Thought they are not independent like Ireland is, they are granted great liberites. Severall referendems for Scottish independence have failed but not by many votes. It is only a matter of time.

The writers and producers are mostly Canadians, so I'm sure they know what position Scotland has in the Commonwealth.

[Christy]

Has anyone seen any Australian flags?

Why would Canadians view England/Scotland and Britain differently?

[Ritchmeister]

Christy - there are Aussies.

England and Scotland are different countries, however the were joine bach the 1707 Act of Union.

Recently referendums in Scotland and Wales have been voted upon for independence, like Ireland.

I think Becketts wearing of the Scottish flag is to show he is in favor of Scottish independence

[LoneWolf84]

Anyone know if there are any Isrealies? Just seems unlikely the would be left outta the loop since we have such a great millitary relationship with them.

[Christy]

well..what about afganistan?

i think Atlantis needs to let us take a look at all the people there...i want to see different people as well as the Atlantis crew!

[ramz]

[ampz]

Sweden!


I wanna see that Swedish girl in some episode.
Are there more swedish people than that blonde sci. in episode 1?

[Ritchmeister]

I have seen only her. If you have the Pilot taped, watch. When they open the worm hole to Atlantis they show her looking up at it. Also when the civilians enter Atlantis she is amoung the first ones to come through the gate.

[LoneWolf84]

There actually have been a couple new flags added...I talked to Arcady about them. (South Africa, Sweden and Ireland!!) Figured we had a few users from these countries, better represent!

I too would love to see a Swede at Atlantis! They have a great accent! Be like a counter part to Beckett. They need to make her role better!! Kill Weir, put the Swede in charge!! Is she a scientist?

[Tashunka_Witko]